WEBVTT 00:00.009 --> 00:02.176 Ok , thank you . And uh good afternoon 00:02.176 --> 00:04.287 to everyone today . Um I just want to 00:04.287 --> 00:06.398 say first , thanks for everyone being 00:06.398 --> 00:08.398 in attendance tonight . It's , it's 00:08.398 --> 00:10.509 awesome to be here um , to talk about 00:10.509 --> 00:12.842 the vital topic and the important topic , 00:12.842 --> 00:14.731 Moody Air Force Base of the , the 00:14.731 --> 00:16.842 airspace initiative that has occurred 00:16.842 --> 00:18.898 over the last couple of years when I 00:18.898 --> 00:18.625 look out the room , I see a lot of 00:18.635 --> 00:20.691 people who are here to support the , 00:20.691 --> 00:22.746 the airmen and the families of Moody 00:22.746 --> 00:24.746 Air Force Base and that's something 00:24.746 --> 00:26.524 that's indispensable to us , uh 00:26.524 --> 00:28.691 something that we require every single 00:28.691 --> 00:28.614 day . So thank you for your continued 00:28.645 --> 00:30.423 support and thank you for being 00:30.423 --> 00:32.534 interested in new and upcoming things 00:32.534 --> 00:34.478 that occur at Moody Air Force Base 00:34.478 --> 00:36.701 tonight though . We're going to discuss 00:36.701 --> 00:38.634 uh the recently approved FAA uh 00:38.645 --> 00:41.615 decision to lower the airspace uh in 00:41.625 --> 00:44.235 the area around Moody Air Force Base . 00:44.669 --> 00:47.180 Um I can tell you this is a , a change 00:47.189 --> 00:49.300 to how we've been doing operations in 00:49.300 --> 00:51.356 the airspace that we've come to know 00:51.356 --> 00:53.356 over the last couple of years . But 00:53.356 --> 00:55.578 really the purpose of tonight is to get 00:55.578 --> 00:57.800 a , uh a shared understanding of why uh 00:57.800 --> 00:59.967 we put that process in place to try to 00:59.967 --> 01:02.189 optimize that airspace , the procedures 01:02.189 --> 01:04.356 that we're going to do and then to ask 01:04.356 --> 01:06.467 answer any questions or concerns that 01:06.467 --> 01:08.889 people might have about it . Uh But 01:08.900 --> 01:11.610 overall , the goal for the uh the 01:11.620 --> 01:14.650 airmen and uh the the air crew at Moody 01:14.660 --> 01:16.604 Air Force Base , when we looked at 01:16.604 --> 01:18.493 optimizing this airspace , it was 01:18.493 --> 01:20.549 really to enhance our , our training 01:20.549 --> 01:22.771 capacity and our capabilities . So by , 01:22.771 --> 01:24.604 by gaining a little bit of extra 01:24.604 --> 01:26.771 airspace , it allows the men and women 01:26.771 --> 01:29.010 who fly the aircraft at Moody to , to 01:29.019 --> 01:31.330 really simulate those combat 01:31.339 --> 01:33.450 experiences that they , they need and 01:33.450 --> 01:35.580 they have and uh by growing this 01:35.589 --> 01:37.922 airspace in the manner that we're doing , 01:37.922 --> 01:39.867 so we continue to operate safely , 01:39.867 --> 01:41.867 we're really allowing them to train 01:41.867 --> 01:44.033 every day and to exercise so that they 01:44.033 --> 01:46.319 can know what it's like and put those 01:46.330 --> 01:48.330 aircraft in the positions that they 01:48.330 --> 01:50.608 would when they're doing their mission , 01:50.608 --> 01:52.830 which is the defense of our nation . Uh 01:52.830 --> 01:55.052 Additionally , you know , since we have 01:55.052 --> 01:57.219 this collective group here , I do want 01:57.219 --> 01:59.330 to talk about how much we deeply care 01:59.330 --> 02:01.497 about the , the flying community , the 02:01.497 --> 02:03.386 uh in , in South Georgia . So the 02:03.386 --> 02:05.269 relationships between the civil 02:05.279 --> 02:08.100 aviation community and the Air Force 02:08.110 --> 02:10.221 have gone back 80 years . And I think 02:10.221 --> 02:11.999 it's been a good experience for 02:11.999 --> 02:13.777 everyone as we've worked to the 02:13.777 --> 02:15.943 airspace understanding and uh actually 02:15.943 --> 02:17.999 safely employed in it for , for that 02:17.999 --> 02:20.221 many years . So we look forward to that 02:20.221 --> 02:22.388 continued support and collaboration as 02:22.388 --> 02:24.499 we move forward . But I do understand 02:24.499 --> 02:26.499 that uh changes like this can , can 02:26.499 --> 02:28.721 drive questions and concerns . So I can 02:28.721 --> 02:30.388 promise all of you that we're 02:30.388 --> 02:30.259 definitely committed to being 02:30.270 --> 02:32.789 transparent in this uh so that everyone 02:32.800 --> 02:34.522 understands what the these new 02:34.529 --> 02:36.770 procedures are and will be responsive 02:36.779 --> 02:38.910 to any questions , concerns and 02:38.919 --> 02:40.863 feedback that we get . So not only 02:40.863 --> 02:43.141 tonight , but you'll see in this brief , 02:43.141 --> 02:45.141 we're going to provide uh points of 02:45.141 --> 02:47.252 contact so that anytime you can get a 02:47.252 --> 02:47.179 hold of us to ensure that we're all 02:47.190 --> 02:49.023 operating in a safe manner where 02:49.023 --> 02:51.246 everyone feels like we can move forward 02:51.246 --> 02:53.246 together . So again , thank you for 02:53.246 --> 02:55.301 being here tonight . Look forward to 02:55.301 --> 02:57.357 the uh continued partnership and now 02:57.357 --> 02:59.301 I'm gonna uh turn it over over the 02:59.301 --> 02:58.720 introduction . 03:08.750 --> 03:10.806 Good evening . Uh I'm Nathan Coyle . 03:10.806 --> 03:12.639 I'm an aviation planner from the 03:12.639 --> 03:14.472 Aviation Division of the Georgia 03:14.472 --> 03:16.583 Department of Transportation . Um Our 03:16.583 --> 03:18.361 department within GD A provides 03:18.361 --> 03:20.306 assistance , funding , support and 03:20.306 --> 03:19.880 regulatory oversight of about 100 and 03:19.889 --> 03:21.833 two public use airports across the 03:21.833 --> 03:23.889 state of Georgia uh on behalf of the 03:23.889 --> 03:26.111 division , I , I'm here tonight just to 03:26.111 --> 03:26.039 say thank you to uh representatives 03:26.050 --> 03:28.161 from the Air Force uh for listening , 03:28.161 --> 03:30.272 diligently to the comments , concerns 03:30.272 --> 03:32.494 and input from our flying community and 03:32.494 --> 03:34.439 airport sponsors over the last few 03:34.439 --> 03:36.550 years as you've gone through a few uh 03:36.550 --> 03:36.449 revisions of this airspace initiative . 03:36.660 --> 03:38.716 Uh and a specific , thank you to the 03:38.716 --> 03:40.771 the flying community and , and those 03:40.771 --> 03:42.993 airport sponsors , Mr Galloway , who is 03:42.993 --> 03:45.049 a specific leader in identifying key 03:45.049 --> 03:47.160 issues uh to uh consider that process 03:47.160 --> 03:49.382 and , and an additional , thank you for 03:49.382 --> 03:48.455 the continued outreach here that you're 03:48.464 --> 03:50.464 providing this evening and you will 03:50.464 --> 03:52.575 provide to the flying community . Our 03:52.575 --> 03:54.408 department is always open uh for 03:54.408 --> 03:54.354 questions uh from the flying community 03:54.365 --> 03:56.365 and we're always here to assist our 03:56.365 --> 03:58.532 airport sponsors . So please feel free 03:58.532 --> 04:00.643 to reach out if we can uh provide you 04:00.643 --> 03:59.925 assistance . Thank you . 04:07.380 --> 04:10.330 I'm uh Jim Galloway . I'm representing 04:10.339 --> 04:12.960 the Georgia Airports Association . Uh 04:12.970 --> 04:15.192 I'm no longer on the board of directors 04:15.192 --> 04:17.359 of the Association , but they asked me 04:17.359 --> 04:17.290 to follow this issue . I've been with 04:17.299 --> 04:19.410 it since it started a couple of years 04:19.410 --> 04:21.521 ago . Uh and just want to say that uh 04:21.521 --> 04:23.743 uh we've been through a lot uh over the 04:23.743 --> 04:25.855 past couple of years , we've had time 04:25.855 --> 04:28.021 to express our opinions and things and 04:28.021 --> 04:30.243 now it's time to get the worker bees uh 04:30.243 --> 04:32.466 to show us how the procedures are going 04:32.466 --> 04:32.089 to go for the , the airspace when the 04:32.100 --> 04:35.100 active , the low mowers are active . Um 04:35.109 --> 04:37.387 uh I'll give you a peek under the tent . 04:37.387 --> 04:39.553 I've got a prebrief from them and I've 04:39.553 --> 04:41.776 been impressed with the procedures that 04:41.776 --> 04:43.831 they have developed and that they're 04:43.831 --> 04:45.942 going to explain to you all . Uh this 04:45.942 --> 04:48.630 afternoon , there's another association 04:48.640 --> 04:50.696 in Georgia called the Association of 04:50.696 --> 04:52.970 Georgia General Aviation Airports and 04:52.980 --> 04:55.147 the chairman of the board this year is 04:55.147 --> 04:57.313 Amber mccall and she's out of Toccoa , 04:57.313 --> 04:59.480 Georgia , which is up in the mountains 04:59.480 --> 04:59.130 in North Georgia . And she wanted to 04:59.140 --> 05:01.029 come down . She just logistically 05:01.029 --> 05:03.084 couldn't , couldn't make it . So she 05:03.084 --> 05:05.196 asked me if I would read some remarks 05:05.196 --> 05:07.418 that she prepared uh for the folks here 05:07.418 --> 05:09.529 in attendance today . Uh So firstly , 05:09.529 --> 05:11.751 on behalf of the Association of Georgia 05:11.751 --> 05:13.862 General Aviation Airports , thank you 05:13.862 --> 05:15.918 for the invitation to be included in 05:15.918 --> 05:18.140 the conversations of the implementation 05:18.140 --> 05:17.429 of new procedures regarding the moody 05:17.440 --> 05:19.496 air force base , military operations 05:19.500 --> 05:21.929 area . We sincerely regret regret that 05:21.940 --> 05:23.718 we could not make an appearance 05:23.718 --> 05:25.884 personally at this meeting . However , 05:25.884 --> 05:27.884 the importance of being included in 05:27.884 --> 05:27.839 these discussions is no less important 05:27.850 --> 05:29.940 to us as representatives of General 05:29.950 --> 05:32.239 Aviation system in Georgia . We thank 05:32.250 --> 05:34.472 Moody Air Force Base that the impact of 05:34.472 --> 05:36.361 the new operations initiatives on 05:36.361 --> 05:38.250 surrounding airports were kept in 05:38.250 --> 05:40.528 consideration in their decision making , 05:40.528 --> 05:42.639 considering our position as a partner 05:42.639 --> 05:44.861 in this endeavor . We look forward to a 05:44.861 --> 05:46.917 successful implementation of the new 05:46.917 --> 05:46.579 parameters for military training 05:46.589 --> 05:48.533 resulting in a mutually beneficial 05:48.533 --> 05:50.589 result for both moody air force base 05:50.589 --> 05:52.256 and airports in the area as a 05:52.256 --> 05:54.089 collective voice for our airport 05:54.089 --> 05:55.700 members . Upon the practical 05:55.700 --> 05:57.700 utilization of the new parameters , 05:57.700 --> 05:59.700 media , air force base and affected 05:59.700 --> 06:01.811 airports . For continuous improvement 06:01.811 --> 06:01.309 of the process . From either direction 06:01.320 --> 06:03.542 of those involved , we will from either 06:03.549 --> 06:05.660 direction of those involved , we will 06:05.660 --> 06:07.716 make our mission at AGA is what they 06:07.716 --> 06:09.716 call themselves to communicate with 06:09.716 --> 06:11.827 airports about the impacts of the new 06:11.827 --> 06:13.993 MOA to their operation as a measure of 06:13.993 --> 06:15.993 continuing education and discussion 06:15.993 --> 06:15.920 amongst all involved for a positive 06:15.929 --> 06:17.985 outcome . Again , thank you for your 06:17.985 --> 06:20.207 time and your willingness to include in 06:20.207 --> 06:22.151 these matters . We look forward to 06:22.151 --> 06:24.262 continuing discussion and involvement 06:24.262 --> 06:23.850 for the betterment of our aviation 06:23.859 --> 06:25.220 system on the whole . 06:37.950 --> 06:38.950 Pardon me , 06:42.470 --> 06:44.526 folks , I appreciate everybody being 06:44.526 --> 06:46.692 here . Colonel sheets . Thank you . Um 06:46.950 --> 06:49.670 My name is Keith Raulerson . I have uh 06:49.679 --> 06:51.589 38 years of air traffic control 06:51.600 --> 06:53.656 experience 20 years active duty with 06:53.656 --> 06:56.040 the air force , an additional 18 years 06:56.049 --> 06:58.271 working for the air force as a civilian 06:58.271 --> 07:00.271 controller . So , and of that , the 07:00.271 --> 07:03.089 last 21 years has been at Moody uh 07:03.100 --> 07:05.267 working about us approach control . So 07:06.309 --> 07:10.170 I led my experience to help us resolve 07:10.209 --> 07:13.329 any questions , discussions , uh issues 07:13.339 --> 07:15.570 that , that may have come up in this 07:15.579 --> 07:17.857 lower , lower in the airspace endeavor . 07:18.459 --> 07:20.880 So we just went through uh the opening 07:20.890 --> 07:23.779 remarks , we're gonna look at uh 07:24.190 --> 07:26.559 summary of changes . So as you can see , 07:26.790 --> 07:29.109 uh we're , we're lower , we're a 07:29.119 --> 07:32.230 Porsche Mustang , Moa war moa and 07:32.239 --> 07:34.429 Corsair North moa . Portions of those 07:34.440 --> 07:36.989 are being lowered to 1000 ft as a floor 07:37.000 --> 07:39.320 and the courses are south low moa the 07:39.329 --> 07:42.269 entirety down to 1000 ft . Moody two 07:42.279 --> 07:46.029 north change from a base of 500 ft 07:46.040 --> 07:49.750 down to 100 ft and then included a moa 07:49.760 --> 07:51.989 underneath the Grand Bay . Uh restrict 07:52.000 --> 07:54.869 area 3008 range adjacent to Moody . 07:56.809 --> 07:58.476 Let's look at some common mis 07:58.476 --> 08:01.820 misconceptions . So mo are a wall 08:01.829 --> 08:03.970 blocking flight to everybody . That's 08:03.980 --> 08:07.079 not the case . We have zero 08:07.089 --> 08:09.200 restrictions for ready for our flight 08:09.200 --> 08:11.959 and in , in that I will encourage this 08:11.970 --> 08:13.859 like I have in and in many of the 08:13.859 --> 08:15.914 conversations that we've , we've had 08:15.914 --> 08:17.859 throughout the airports across the 08:17.859 --> 08:20.081 state . If you're out flying around via 08:20.081 --> 08:22.192 R , please call us . We would love to 08:22.192 --> 08:24.359 know who you are , what you're doing , 08:24.359 --> 08:26.470 what out who you're at so that we can 08:26.470 --> 08:28.637 let these guys are out flying around , 08:28.637 --> 08:31.410 know that you're there . We'll see the 08:31.420 --> 08:33.587 target where you , whether you call us 08:33.587 --> 08:35.642 or not . But if we've got a verified 08:35.642 --> 08:35.320 attitude , we know exactly what you're 08:35.330 --> 08:37.552 doing . We give them more information , 08:37.552 --> 08:39.552 they can deconflict themselves from 08:39.552 --> 08:41.669 wherever you're at . That helps with 08:41.679 --> 08:43.846 the safety in the whole system all the 08:43.846 --> 08:47.640 way around . Moody or vas approach and 08:47.650 --> 08:49.706 moody cleaner slavery . Two separate 08:49.706 --> 08:51.928 agencies . That's not the case . We are 08:51.928 --> 08:53.983 all in one room together and it goes 08:53.983 --> 08:56.150 into the next , next one as well . The 08:56.150 --> 08:58.150 mole minor and Vasa high approach . 08:58.150 --> 09:00.179 We're all in the same one radar 09:00.190 --> 09:02.770 facility . We have several positions , 09:03.059 --> 09:05.669 all of those individual positions are 09:05.679 --> 09:07.846 there together in one room . We can do 09:08.260 --> 09:10.149 airspace c conviction we could do 09:10.149 --> 09:12.316 coordinations . We could do uh satisfy 09:12.316 --> 09:14.530 requests all across the room very 09:14.539 --> 09:16.770 quickly , very seamlessly and hopefully 09:16.780 --> 09:19.340 with very little delay to the general a 09:19.349 --> 09:20.627 aviation flying public 09:23.049 --> 09:25.216 differences in the mo between schedule 09:25.216 --> 09:27.271 and hot . So there has been a lot of 09:27.271 --> 09:29.438 questions about . Ok , so you're going 09:29.438 --> 09:31.493 to be out there in the mo at 1000 ft 09:31.493 --> 09:34.309 from 0 800 to 100 . That's not the case . 09:34.609 --> 09:36.950 We currently deconflict and , and 09:36.960 --> 09:40.859 activate airspace very dynamically . Uh 09:40.880 --> 09:42.936 As these guys are wearing the flight 09:42.936 --> 09:44.991 suits could tell you they may go out 09:44.991 --> 09:44.979 for an hour and a half mission , but 09:44.989 --> 09:48.700 they may be in motu South Hog South and 09:48.710 --> 09:50.654 they want to transition the course 09:50.654 --> 09:52.321 there . After 20 minutes , we 09:52.321 --> 09:55.760 deactivate and activate as a need based 09:55.770 --> 09:57.992 on whatever their training requirements 09:57.992 --> 10:00.159 are . So we will continue to do that . 10:00.159 --> 10:02.840 So it's not going to be hot or active , 10:02.849 --> 10:05.380 whichever term you would prefer to use 10:06.099 --> 10:08.099 for that whole time period . That's 10:08.099 --> 10:10.159 just the scheduled uh hours that is 10:10.169 --> 10:12.599 published in the study 400.10 . 10:15.770 --> 10:19.030 So typically an hour and a half sort uh 10:19.039 --> 10:20.983 occasionally longer than that , uh 10:20.983 --> 10:23.261 sometimes shorter than that depends on , 10:23.261 --> 10:25.372 on what the case may be . But again , 10:25.372 --> 10:27.539 we we are in direct contact with those 10:27.539 --> 10:30.219 aircraft 100% of the time . So if we 10:30.229 --> 10:32.396 need to get in contact with them to de 10:32.396 --> 10:34.007 conflate , give them traffic 10:34.007 --> 10:36.229 information , let them know what you're 10:36.229 --> 10:38.396 doing . We've got an emergency , we've 10:38.396 --> 10:37.950 got an air vac or a medevac flight , 10:37.960 --> 10:40.016 whatever the case may be , we can do 10:40.016 --> 10:42.440 that real time . Um very quickly 10:43.159 --> 10:46.750 deconfliction . Um As 10:46.760 --> 10:48.982 always if you're a pilot , you know , a 10:48.982 --> 10:51.650 see and avoid the A tens . And this is 10:51.659 --> 10:53.659 probably something that the G eight 10:53.659 --> 10:55.492 folks in the room probably don't 10:55.492 --> 10:57.270 understand or realize they have 10:57.270 --> 10:59.270 capabilities in the aircraft . They 10:59.270 --> 11:01.492 don't have radar per se , but they have 11:01.492 --> 11:03.659 a , have a data link . Uh and they get 11:03.659 --> 11:05.548 information on traffic in the moa 11:05.548 --> 11:07.381 that's walking . So if you got a 11:07.381 --> 11:07.299 transponder , you got it turned on , 11:07.419 --> 11:09.586 they will , they will see that traffic 11:09.586 --> 11:11.586 in addition to us letting them know 11:11.586 --> 11:13.808 about that traffic . And then if you're 11:13.808 --> 11:15.808 talking to us , we can let you know 11:15.808 --> 11:17.863 they're there and what they're doing 11:18.440 --> 11:20.659 their plans . Um They don't do 11:20.669 --> 11:24.010 aerobatics uh below 5000 ft . That's , 11:24.020 --> 11:26.242 that's their rules . They have to stick 11:26.242 --> 11:28.131 to those rules . There's no uh no 11:28.131 --> 11:31.520 getting around that . So in this , I'll 11:31.530 --> 11:33.863 go ahead and go to the next one as well . 11:33.863 --> 11:36.250 The um they won't be doing maneuvers 11:36.260 --> 11:38.371 like that in the clouds . They got to 11:38.371 --> 11:40.427 stay clear of clouds . So that helps 11:40.427 --> 11:42.482 with you seeing them and them seeing 11:42.482 --> 11:44.649 you . So that helps that deconfliction 11:44.649 --> 11:47.929 process . But their flight sorties or 11:47.940 --> 11:51.330 their flight profiles are start high 11:51.469 --> 11:54.219 dive , attack a target and pull back 11:54.229 --> 11:56.640 out . So their time at 1000 ft is going 11:56.650 --> 11:59.570 to be minimal . It's going to be any 11:59.729 --> 12:01.729 anybody can give me , give me an 12:01.739 --> 12:03.795 estimate , but it's going to be very 12:03.795 --> 12:05.940 minimal . Um Probably a minute , two 12:05.950 --> 12:08.739 minutes or less . And as they're doing 12:08.750 --> 12:10.806 that , we're always updating them on 12:10.806 --> 12:13.028 you . We're always updating you on them 12:13.028 --> 12:16.530 if you're talking to us . So let's look 12:16.539 --> 12:18.799 at ifr arrival procedures , what you 12:18.809 --> 12:20.920 see on the top . Uh , that's a couple 12:20.920 --> 12:23.087 of example , flight strips that we get 12:23.087 --> 12:25.253 in the facility , you file your flight 12:25.253 --> 12:27.365 plan , uh , from wherever you take it 12:27.365 --> 12:27.159 off from , you're coming in into one of 12:27.169 --> 12:29.750 the airports in our airspace or JC to 12:29.760 --> 12:32.250 our airspace . This is what we get . We 12:32.260 --> 12:34.830 get where you're going , who you are . 12:35.020 --> 12:37.131 We get a coordinations fix . It gives 12:37.131 --> 12:39.131 us an idea of what direction you're 12:39.131 --> 12:41.270 coming from and we've got a time . So 12:41.280 --> 12:43.502 as soon as it's 30 minutes out from the 12:43.502 --> 12:45.502 airport , we get that strip . So we 12:45.502 --> 12:48.239 know you're coming in the middle 15 12:48.250 --> 12:50.679 minutes prior . You look in the middle 12:50.690 --> 12:52.857 section where it says November 1 , 2 , 12:52.857 --> 12:55.789 Whiskey Foxtrot and it's got hol that's 12:55.799 --> 12:59.609 a handoff to our low sector when that 12:59.619 --> 13:02.369 aircraft is approaching the boundary . 13:02.590 --> 13:04.820 Jacksonville Centers put in , put in a 13:04.830 --> 13:07.630 handoff status . We see that it gives 13:07.640 --> 13:10.830 us time to go clear up the moa either 13:10.840 --> 13:12.859 climb , descend or move laterally 13:12.869 --> 13:15.489 whatever the case may be to get those a 13:15.500 --> 13:17.722 tens out of the way so that we can take 13:17.722 --> 13:19.667 that hand off and get you into the 13:19.667 --> 13:21.889 airport with very little delay . And as 13:21.889 --> 13:23.889 soon as you're either on the ground 13:23.889 --> 13:25.944 canceled ifr or gone missed approach 13:25.944 --> 13:28.056 we'll deal with the missed approach , 13:28.056 --> 13:30.167 um , as the case may be , but as soon 13:30.167 --> 13:32.278 as we're , you're done , we'll go and 13:32.278 --> 13:36.010 give them the m back departures . 13:36.900 --> 13:38.844 Same thing , a couple of departure 13:38.844 --> 13:41.067 ships . We got a to , or Thomasville to 13:41.067 --> 13:43.233 Savannah and we got a TIF to Decatur , 13:43.233 --> 13:45.469 Alabama . Um , same information who you 13:45.479 --> 13:48.239 are , what you're flying , uh , beacon 13:48.250 --> 13:50.250 code time you're taking off . We're 13:50.250 --> 13:52.417 gonna get those 30 minutes , exactly , 13:52.417 --> 13:54.639 30 minutes from your proposed time they 13:54.639 --> 13:56.750 pop up . So as soon as we get it , we 13:56.750 --> 13:59.880 know we start planning , we ask if 13:59.890 --> 14:02.057 you're gonna take off Ifr and we would 14:02.057 --> 14:04.340 prefer you take off ifr for you to call 14:04.349 --> 14:06.238 us on the ground . We'll have the 14:06.238 --> 14:08.182 information for anybody that's not 14:08.182 --> 14:10.405 familiar at the end . Give us a call on 14:10.405 --> 14:12.405 the ground . The clearance delivery 14:12.405 --> 14:14.627 person you're talking to is in the same 14:14.627 --> 14:13.890 room with the guy that's working the 14:13.900 --> 14:16.109 aircraft in the morning . We go down 14:16.119 --> 14:18.460 real time deconflict say , hey , I need 14:18.909 --> 14:21.760 the base of the mow to be 5000 ft and 14:21.770 --> 14:23.881 we're going to give 4000 ft departure 14:23.881 --> 14:26.729 restriction and a release off . You go , 14:26.739 --> 14:28.961 we'll work you through the mower . Once 14:28.961 --> 14:31.017 you clear the mower , those guys get 14:31.017 --> 14:34.570 the , get the mower back . And this is 14:34.580 --> 14:36.802 kind of how this looks . If you look on 14:36.802 --> 14:38.969 the left hand side , if you're looking 14:38.969 --> 14:38.799 at course air , this is your normal 14:38.940 --> 14:41.030 life 1000 ft to flight level 230 , 14:41.299 --> 14:43.132 you're down at times . So you're 14:43.132 --> 14:45.299 waiting to go , you call , we're going 14:45.299 --> 14:47.410 to go down . We're going to give that 14:47.410 --> 14:49.632 or request that restriction . The mower 14:49.632 --> 14:51.743 monitor , high approach controller is 14:51.743 --> 14:51.739 going to take care of that restriction . 14:52.049 --> 14:54.382 Once the A tens are above that altitude , 14:54.382 --> 14:56.979 the release is issued off . You go , 14:57.020 --> 14:59.076 you climb up , you go underneath the 14:59.076 --> 15:01.242 mower , you get out the other side and 15:01.242 --> 15:03.298 we continue your climb or your , you 15:03.298 --> 15:05.520 stay level if that is whatever the case 15:05.520 --> 15:07.742 may be for , for your , excuse me , for 15:07.742 --> 15:09.964 your flight . These are the more tricky 15:09.964 --> 15:13.080 ones , the VFRIFR . 15:13.919 --> 15:16.679 That's why I said before . Um , we 15:16.690 --> 15:18.801 would always stress folks to call and 15:18.801 --> 15:20.912 get your IR clearance on the ground , 15:20.912 --> 15:22.857 but it's your prerogative . If you 15:22.857 --> 15:25.023 don't , if you do , you call up in the 15:25.023 --> 15:27.023 middle of the more , let's just say 15:27.023 --> 15:29.246 you're 2500 3500 4500 ft , whatever the 15:29.246 --> 15:31.301 case may be and you're in one of the 15:31.301 --> 15:33.523 jets and you're climbing pretty quick . 15:33.523 --> 15:35.746 We have to now create a hole in the moa 15:35.746 --> 15:37.912 for you . We identify , you figure out 15:37.912 --> 15:40.023 where you're going . You want to pick 15:40.023 --> 15:41.912 up your ifr , we go down to motor 15:41.912 --> 15:44.119 controller , create a space , whatever 15:44.130 --> 15:46.352 it may be a 5000 ft block , it may be a 15:46.352 --> 15:48.352 2000 ft block , whatever it is , it 15:48.352 --> 15:50.380 works for us and it is different in 15:50.390 --> 15:52.760 every situation based on where they're 15:52.770 --> 15:54.826 at in the moa based on what altitude 15:54.826 --> 15:56.937 you're at in the MOA . And we're also 15:56.937 --> 15:59.048 going to look at what airplane you're 15:59.048 --> 16:01.270 flying . If you're in 182 and you're at 16:01.270 --> 16:00.849 3000 ft , we're probably gonna stop you 16:00.859 --> 16:04.619 at 3500 , get them above you , give you 16:04.630 --> 16:06.797 your clearance and work you underneath 16:06.797 --> 16:08.908 them all . If you're in a Gulf stream 16:08.908 --> 16:10.908 and you're at 55 and we're probably 16:10.908 --> 16:12.963 gonna get them underneath you so you 16:12.963 --> 16:15.186 can continue your , your climb . But it 16:15.186 --> 16:17.408 is all dynamic based on where you're at 16:17.408 --> 16:19.519 and where they're at . We had figured 16:19.519 --> 16:21.741 that out real time . There's been a lot 16:21.741 --> 16:23.797 of questions in the discussions over 16:23.797 --> 16:26.019 these past couple of years of , we want 16:26.019 --> 16:28.352 a , we want an answer , a single answer . 16:28.352 --> 16:30.241 A single answer is not , it's not 16:30.241 --> 16:32.463 possible in , in this situation because 16:32.463 --> 16:34.686 of where you're at and where they're at 16:34.686 --> 16:36.686 and it is very dynamic . It is real 16:36.686 --> 16:39.969 time . We will fix that problem as it 16:39.979 --> 16:43.690 occurs . Um Same thing you get out the 16:43.700 --> 16:45.978 other side of the mower , they go back , 16:45.978 --> 16:49.539 they got the full mow again . Um Next 16:49.549 --> 16:51.549 steps , we've got our flight safety 16:51.549 --> 16:53.605 folks in the , in the back as well . 16:54.479 --> 16:56.646 Starting in the near future . We don't 16:56.646 --> 16:58.701 know exactly the , the start date or 16:58.701 --> 17:00.923 the scheduled dates , but we want to go 17:00.923 --> 17:02.923 out and reach again with the flight 17:02.923 --> 17:05.819 safety folks and a controller in tow 17:06.660 --> 17:10.589 and go talk to all the airports , find 17:10.599 --> 17:13.119 the airport manager , talk to the FBO , 17:13.199 --> 17:15.421 get as many pilots in room as you can . 17:15.421 --> 17:17.588 Let's hear what issues you're having . 17:17.650 --> 17:20.270 Let's hear what , what's not working , 17:20.280 --> 17:22.058 what may be working and we make 17:22.058 --> 17:24.058 adjustments and improve the process 17:24.058 --> 17:26.170 from there . What we have in place so 17:26.180 --> 17:28.760 far at this point , very solid plan to 17:28.770 --> 17:30.770 get these guys are trained to their 17:30.770 --> 17:32.709 need and get you guys going where 17:32.719 --> 17:34.886 you're , where you're going to get you 17:34.886 --> 17:36.830 into the airport with little to no 17:36.830 --> 17:40.219 delay . Um Contact information is there 17:40.229 --> 17:42.451 for anybody who wants to take a look at 17:42.451 --> 17:44.785 it , write it down , take a photo of it . 17:45.010 --> 17:47.066 The frequencies are on there for the 17:47.066 --> 17:49.066 low approach , the high approach uh 17:49.066 --> 17:51.343 slash small monitor clinics , delivery . 17:51.343 --> 17:53.530 We prefer you to call on the phone 17:53.540 --> 17:56.430 number because that gets you right into 17:56.439 --> 17:58.439 the room to the controller that can 17:58.439 --> 18:01.089 best get you on your way as quickly as 18:01.099 --> 18:04.579 possible . There's gonna be some folks 18:04.589 --> 18:06.645 out there still prefer to use flight 18:06.645 --> 18:08.867 service that's adding another step in , 18:08.867 --> 18:10.922 into that process and adding another 18:10.922 --> 18:13.200 entity in into the coordinations piece . 18:13.200 --> 18:15.478 So that phone number gets you right in , 18:15.478 --> 18:17.700 in the room . That's what we use for mo 18:17.700 --> 18:19.922 for most folks . Anyway , we get you uh 18:19.922 --> 18:22.033 get you clearance and get you on your 18:22.033 --> 18:25.229 way . Uh Our facility manager , so me , 18:25.589 --> 18:27.770 our crews which is over here with us . 18:29.339 --> 18:31.506 Her phone number is on there as well . 18:31.506 --> 18:33.839 We , we prefer a call if you got issues , 18:33.839 --> 18:35.950 you got complaints if something's not 18:35.950 --> 18:37.839 right . You got a question call , 18:38.130 --> 18:40.430 flight safety , you got a safety issue . 18:40.439 --> 18:42.989 You got , you got an issue about , uh , 18:43.000 --> 18:45.000 airplanes being too low . They were 18:45.000 --> 18:47.167 doing something unsafe , whatever that 18:47.167 --> 18:49.333 case may be . Give flight safety folks 18:49.333 --> 18:51.500 a call . If you want to talk to them , 18:51.500 --> 18:53.556 talk to PAP . A gets those calls , I 18:53.556 --> 18:55.667 wouldn't say frequently , but they do 18:55.667 --> 18:55.180 get those calls and they fill those 18:55.189 --> 18:58.209 calls And I personally from , for my 18:58.219 --> 19:01.189 additional job about o approach , I get 19:01.199 --> 19:03.421 the back end of that . I get to go look 19:03.421 --> 19:05.532 at the radar , investigate recordings 19:05.532 --> 19:07.421 and find out , hey , was somebody 19:07.421 --> 19:09.421 actually flying too low . So all of 19:09.421 --> 19:11.588 those , I can assure you are looked at 19:11.588 --> 19:15.339 and investigated our uh OS S commander 19:15.349 --> 19:17.689 which is over here . Colon Griffin . 19:17.699 --> 19:20.239 Our do is here as well . Their phone 19:20.250 --> 19:22.306 numbers on there . You can , you can 19:22.306 --> 19:24.528 get right to the top or pretty close to 19:24.528 --> 19:26.694 the top . Turn , the cap was over here 19:26.694 --> 19:28.750 as well to represent the , the , the 19:28.750 --> 19:32.069 group , any of these entities , any of 19:32.079 --> 19:34.301 these folks can answer your question or 19:34.301 --> 19:36.246 they can get you an answer to your 19:36.246 --> 19:38.301 question or they can help you get to 19:38.301 --> 19:40.523 the root of the problem and that's what 19:40.523 --> 19:42.746 we're here to do . We want to take care 19:42.746 --> 19:44.635 of any concerns , take care of um 19:46.520 --> 19:48.520 this continuing to make this a 19:48.530 --> 19:50.697 collaborative work environment between 19:50.697 --> 19:52.919 Moody Air Force Base in South Georgia . 19:52.919 --> 19:54.863 These guys are out flying around . 19:54.863 --> 19:56.697 They're , they're affecting many 19:56.697 --> 19:59.329 airports . We , um , we deal with , 19:59.339 --> 20:02.050 with all the airports that are in our 20:02.060 --> 20:04.369 airspace . Uh and all the airports that 20:04.380 --> 20:06.436 are on the , uh just on the adjacent 20:06.436 --> 20:08.602 side of our airspace such as Douglas , 20:08.602 --> 20:11.689 uh Fitzgerald , uh Turner County 20:12.410 --> 20:15.180 and Carol Gray . Uh , they're , they're 20:16.119 --> 20:18.020 outside of our boundary but their 20:18.439 --> 20:20.849 instrument approaches impede in our , 20:20.859 --> 20:22.915 in our airspace . So we take care of 20:22.915 --> 20:24.970 those . Um , We deconflict those all 20:24.970 --> 20:27.920 the time waycross as well . Um And then 20:27.930 --> 20:30.097 you've got the uh website on there for 20:30.097 --> 20:32.250 special use airspace . Uh It's an fa 20:32.260 --> 20:34.316 website , the air force doesn't have 20:34.316 --> 20:36.599 any control of the updating of that . 20:36.609 --> 20:39.069 I'm not sure how the fa updates it if 20:39.079 --> 20:40.890 they update it real time as we 20:40.900 --> 20:43.011 coordinate with Jacksonville Center . 20:43.280 --> 20:45.819 Um as we activate , deactivate , we 20:45.829 --> 20:48.319 tell Jacksonville Center real time . So 20:48.329 --> 20:50.162 they always know what's , what's 20:50.162 --> 20:52.162 available because they plan their , 20:52.162 --> 20:54.273 their operation based on what we have 20:54.273 --> 20:57.489 going on . So that takes care of all 20:57.500 --> 21:01.209 that summary . More importantly , 21:01.219 --> 21:04.920 questions , Jim , I don't 21:04.930 --> 21:07.041 remember the dimensions but I believe 21:07.041 --> 21:09.097 around all the public use airports , 21:09.097 --> 21:11.208 there's a cylinder of like three mile 21:11.208 --> 21:13.097 radius up to 3000 ft or something 21:13.097 --> 21:15.097 that's excluded from that . Is that 21:15.097 --> 21:17.819 correct ? Cast here ? We talked about 21:17.829 --> 21:19.959 this . So you guys got a , a circle , 21:19.969 --> 21:22.250 is it right ? Yeah , we did our mission 21:22.260 --> 21:24.482 planning set up and I went through like 21:24.482 --> 21:26.593 a three mile ring . Uh um where I can 21:26.593 --> 21:27.689 actually um 21:31.640 --> 21:34.150 3000 MS L I think uh 21:34.160 --> 21:36.310 1515 100 . So 21:38.380 --> 21:40.602 that might be interesting information , 21:40.602 --> 21:43.579 but we absolutely 21:44.510 --> 21:47.770 KK uh I'm sorry to all the questions . 21:47.780 --> 21:50.002 I just want to make a few comments . Um 21:50.002 --> 21:52.058 As so first of all , Colonel N Cap , 21:52.058 --> 21:54.391 I'm commander of the 23rd fighter group , 21:54.391 --> 21:56.790 the OS S rap on railroad control , all 21:56.800 --> 21:58.959 about us . Uh uh controllers that you 21:58.969 --> 22:01.925 will speak to uh honoring uh my command 22:02.035 --> 22:03.868 and we have student guidance and 22:03.868 --> 22:06.224 leadership of of uh sheets . I did want 22:06.234 --> 22:08.290 to start out with one comment that I 22:08.290 --> 22:10.290 think is very important for all you 22:10.290 --> 22:12.401 hear , you hear from me and here with 22:12.401 --> 22:14.623 the guidance I've given to the teams to 22:14.623 --> 22:14.255 the controllers and all the operators 22:14.265 --> 22:16.321 that are gonna be operating this air 22:16.321 --> 22:18.295 space . The burden is on us . The 22:18.305 --> 22:20.527 burden is on new Air Force base and the 22:20.527 --> 22:22.638 United States Air Force , what I mean 22:22.638 --> 22:25.145 by that it is it coming on them and 22:25.165 --> 22:27.332 they coming on the aviators in the air 22:27.332 --> 22:31.000 space to permit your transit 22:31.160 --> 22:33.729 into and out of the airspace or frankly 22:33.739 --> 22:35.572 through the airspace in the most 22:35.572 --> 22:37.739 expeditious manner without the minimal 22:37.739 --> 22:39.906 amount of interference and the minimal 22:39.906 --> 22:42.030 amount of uh uh additional vectoring 22:42.040 --> 22:44.339 that is required to safely do that . Uh 22:45.040 --> 22:46.959 We will take that upon us , the 22:46.969 --> 22:48.969 controllers that is the target that 22:48.969 --> 22:51.025 giving them going forward and that's 22:51.025 --> 22:53.191 how it would be from year to four . so 22:53.191 --> 22:55.191 you can expect that going forward , 22:55.191 --> 22:57.025 that it should be essentially no 22:57.025 --> 22:56.979 different than how you're operating 22:56.989 --> 22:59.045 right now . Getting into and getting 22:59.045 --> 23:01.267 out of the airspace under either PFR or 23:01.267 --> 23:03.211 IFR control a couple of things you 23:03.211 --> 23:05.545 already mentioned . I wanted a footstep , 23:05.545 --> 23:07.489 uh uh a mo that is hot or active . 23:07.489 --> 23:09.211 However , you want to use that 23:09.211 --> 23:11.433 terminology . Uh That does not mean you 23:11.433 --> 23:13.489 are not permitted entry or exit from 23:13.489 --> 23:15.433 the airspace . All that means that 23:15.433 --> 23:17.656 there's activity in the airspace , they 23:17.656 --> 23:19.878 need to con contact those aviators . So 23:19.878 --> 23:21.933 there's aircraft and let them know , 23:21.933 --> 23:21.869 hey , we have some ir traffic from the 23:21.939 --> 23:24.270 transit , hold north , maintain north 23:24.280 --> 23:26.391 this line or climb to this altitude , 23:26.391 --> 23:28.280 maintain altitude and called your 23:28.280 --> 23:30.447 clearance to when you can proceed back 23:30.447 --> 23:32.869 into the airspace . Um This all happen 23:32.880 --> 23:35.102 and you will not even pretty much , not 23:35.102 --> 23:37.158 even be aware it's going on . You'll 23:37.158 --> 23:38.991 get your clearance expeditiously 23:38.991 --> 23:41.158 generally within about five minutes of 23:41.158 --> 23:43.324 the notification until uh getting into 23:43.324 --> 23:45.436 airspace . If you're entering , we're 23:45.436 --> 23:44.839 gonna have all this doped out before 23:44.849 --> 23:46.960 you even enter . So you'll be able to 23:46.960 --> 23:49.127 continue on your vector uh without any 23:49.127 --> 23:50.960 uh uh significant concerns of rs 23:52.750 --> 23:55.810 aerobatics below 5000 ft . We do not do 23:55.819 --> 23:58.550 aero bags , we do tt to maneuver . 23:58.560 --> 24:00.727 There's no aerobatics going on from my 24:00.727 --> 24:02.782 uh from my aviators . They are doing 24:02.782 --> 24:05.004 tactical maneuvering the same that they 24:05.004 --> 24:04.780 would be doing if they're out in a 24:04.790 --> 24:07.010 fight . Um The things that we're using 24:07.020 --> 24:09.510 the airspace for below the 8000 ft mark 24:09.520 --> 24:11.910 is generally a simulated weapons 24:11.920 --> 24:14.253 delivery type profiles where , you know , 24:14.253 --> 24:16.364 where they attend . We have to go out 24:16.364 --> 24:16.229 in front of the aircraft , we have to 24:16.239 --> 24:18.128 point it at something in order to 24:18.128 --> 24:20.239 engage that . Um , obviously it's all 24:20.239 --> 24:22.461 dry there . We're not doing any kind of 24:22.461 --> 24:21.719 entire engagement . It's all simulated . 24:22.050 --> 24:24.106 The other reason for that is for the 24:24.106 --> 24:26.161 defense of maneuvering . So a lot of 24:26.161 --> 24:28.106 places that we're going to fight , 24:28.106 --> 24:29.994 we're going to be uh our upcoming 24:29.994 --> 24:32.217 diplomas . For example , we're going to 24:32.217 --> 24:34.439 be inside of Iranian threats , which is 24:34.439 --> 24:34.430 a surface to air missile which extends 24:34.439 --> 24:36.439 great distances out of the water or 24:36.439 --> 24:38.606 various territory . We have to be able 24:38.606 --> 24:40.606 to defend against those things . We 24:40.606 --> 24:42.550 have to try to those tactics which 24:42.550 --> 24:44.550 required us to put our air frame to 24:44.550 --> 24:46.772 very seep and dive maneuvers to be able 24:46.772 --> 24:46.150 to go down to the ground in a very 24:46.160 --> 24:48.160 expeditious manner , die from these 24:48.160 --> 24:50.382 threats and then to get back to an area 24:50.382 --> 24:52.549 where we can safely uh ret attack it . 24:52.549 --> 24:54.771 We're not doing aerobatics . Uh We will 24:54.771 --> 24:58.015 be operating uh so 1000 ft and above in 24:58.025 --> 25:00.025 that airspace . But like you said , 25:00.025 --> 25:02.025 it's generally for short periods of 25:02.025 --> 25:04.136 time and climb back up towards safe , 25:04.136 --> 25:06.136 1000 ft is not safe altitudes for a 25:06.136 --> 25:08.136 fire . That's dangerous territory . 25:08.136 --> 25:10.358 That's what anyone with a pistol or the 25:10.358 --> 25:12.469 rifle can reach out and touch us . So 25:12.469 --> 25:12.454 we generally want to be a high in order 25:12.464 --> 25:14.686 to do our uh weapons delivery . We have 25:14.686 --> 25:16.908 to uh uh dive down for short periods of 25:16.908 --> 25:16.635 time 25:21.750 --> 25:24.459 in depth , uh BFR to Ifr 25:24.469 --> 25:28.430 operations . Um It's , you 25:28.439 --> 25:31.640 can take off establish radio contact , 25:31.650 --> 25:33.706 contact , these guys , maintain your 25:33.706 --> 25:36.459 vehicle , cloud clearances and uh fly , 25:36.469 --> 25:38.430 see avoid until you get your IR 25:38.439 --> 25:40.630 clearance from those uh from uh Raro 25:40.989 --> 25:43.156 control . There's nothing stopping you 25:43.156 --> 25:45.322 from doing that . Uh It's , you know , 25:45.322 --> 25:47.211 a phone call is probably a little 25:47.211 --> 25:47.170 better because that way we can prepare 25:47.180 --> 25:49.291 the airspace and , and , and sanitize 25:49.291 --> 25:51.458 the airspace for you . I will say it . 25:51.458 --> 25:53.624 If you're calling on the ground , it's 25:53.624 --> 25:53.609 definitely much more efficient because 25:53.619 --> 25:56.880 we can deconflict first and you get 25:56.890 --> 25:59.130 airborne and there's , there's less 25:59.140 --> 26:00.973 work all the way around the nine 26:00.973 --> 26:04.270 towered airports . It may not be , it 26:04.280 --> 26:06.502 may not fit your timeline because there 26:06.502 --> 26:08.613 may be two or three of you . And that 26:08.613 --> 26:10.558 is often the case at Thomasville , 26:10.558 --> 26:12.558 sometimes a case in Moultrie two or 26:12.558 --> 26:14.949 three of you waiting to depart . So if 26:14.959 --> 26:16.903 you don't want to wait on your ifr 26:16.903 --> 26:19.070 clearance and you want to take off A R 26:19.070 --> 26:21.070 that's fine . We I'm not saying you 26:21.070 --> 26:22.959 can't or you shouldn't . I'm just 26:22.959 --> 26:25.126 saying it's more efficient if you call 26:25.126 --> 26:25.119 us on the ground , if that allows to 26:25.130 --> 26:27.810 work within your timeline . Um 26:29.150 --> 26:31.372 Mentioned airplanes may be doing things 26:31.372 --> 26:33.483 they should be doing specifically air 26:33.483 --> 26:35.250 force aircraft . Uh that is my 26:35.260 --> 26:37.371 responsibility . If you do , wouldn't 26:37.380 --> 26:39.436 see something that is questionable . 26:39.436 --> 26:41.547 Talk to us , tell us , communicate to 26:41.547 --> 26:43.769 us . Uh , first of all , I don't expect 26:43.769 --> 26:45.769 that I've got the most professional 26:45.769 --> 26:48.102 aviators , uh , that , that , that , uh , 26:48.102 --> 26:50.324 in the United States Air Force , they , 26:50.324 --> 26:52.436 we split stom this every single day . 26:52.436 --> 26:54.602 We go into a brief , uh , professional 26:54.602 --> 26:56.547 and discipline . Aviation mistakes 26:56.547 --> 26:58.824 happen . Sometimes people get a little , 26:58.824 --> 27:02.640 uh , um , ambitious , but that 27:02.650 --> 27:04.983 is uh the exception is not the standard . 27:04.983 --> 27:07.206 And if that is being seen , please tell 27:07.206 --> 27:09.372 us communicate to us and we will stamp 27:09.372 --> 27:11.261 that out immediately . Uh That is 27:11.261 --> 27:12.872 unacceptable and that is the 27:12.872 --> 27:14.983 expectation that everybody has the so 27:14.983 --> 27:17.094 on a daily basis . Lastly , I want to 27:17.094 --> 27:19.206 reiterate and foot stop the fact that 27:19.239 --> 27:21.569 we are not trying to interrupt 27:21.579 --> 27:23.690 anybody's business . We're not trying 27:23.690 --> 27:25.801 to interrupt anybody's ability to get 27:25.801 --> 27:27.968 into an airfield , exit an airfield or 27:27.968 --> 27:29.857 conduct their daily operations of 27:29.857 --> 27:32.170 business . The burden is on us and we 27:32.180 --> 27:34.180 take that upon ourselves , uh going 27:34.180 --> 27:36.236 forward . So if there's any concerns 27:36.236 --> 27:38.291 about that , please , uh please come 27:38.291 --> 27:40.402 talk to us and , and we will , it's a 27:40.402 --> 27:40.319 two way conversation . We'll do our 27:40.329 --> 27:42.469 best to uh to accommodate any of your 27:42.479 --> 27:45.010 concerns going forward . Uh any other 27:45.020 --> 27:47.479 comments or concerns out of us . Um 27:51.109 --> 27:54.229 Yes , sir . I do . 27:57.280 --> 27:59.502 You know what I went to Cook County the 27:59.502 --> 28:01.613 last time and I don't know why it was 28:01.613 --> 28:03.613 on the list and then both . There , 28:03.613 --> 28:05.724 there are a fair number . Um , I know 28:07.219 --> 28:09.209 instruction and that's a follow up 28:09.219 --> 28:13.130 question , uh , for flight 28:13.140 --> 28:15.739 instruction generally for a lot of 28:15.750 --> 28:17.861 things where you're teaching students 28:17.861 --> 28:20.229 here at 25 . So , do you have some 28:20.239 --> 28:24.209 preferred places to go if 28:24.219 --> 28:27.290 we are doing that ? All right . I would 28:27.300 --> 28:29.459 say if you're , if you're looking for 28:29.469 --> 28:31.580 an option to stay out of the confines 28:31.580 --> 28:33.699 of the mullet anywhere , you know , 28:33.969 --> 28:36.250 between eight L and Barasa is fine , 28:36.430 --> 28:39.369 you know that it doesn't impede usually 28:39.380 --> 28:41.436 the traffic flow into Barasa because 28:41.436 --> 28:43.849 it's far , far enough out or into uh 28:43.910 --> 28:47.130 moody . So that , that would be , yeah . 28:47.430 --> 28:49.597 Yeah , that would be fine . And if you 28:49.597 --> 28:51.708 need to go into the mullet and you're 28:51.708 --> 28:53.708 out doing it , call us , teach your 28:53.708 --> 28:55.819 students to call us . Um I , and I've 28:55.819 --> 28:58.520 had that comment before from , uh , uh , 28:58.530 --> 29:00.641 an instructor . I don't remember what 29:00.641 --> 29:02.752 airport was that , but it was related 29:02.752 --> 29:04.863 to me that students were apprehensive 29:04.863 --> 29:06.808 about talking on the radio . Let's 29:06.808 --> 29:08.919 teach him as fly struts , let's teach 29:08.919 --> 29:10.974 him to be comfortable talking on the 29:10.974 --> 29:12.974 radio so that they're not afraid to 29:12.974 --> 29:15.086 call a TC and we could help everybody 29:15.086 --> 29:17.252 be safe within the system . And that's 29:17.252 --> 29:19.252 really the biggest part of , that's 29:19.252 --> 29:21.599 what we want for everybody . Zero delay 29:21.619 --> 29:23.952 or minimal , uh I should say zero delay , 29:23.952 --> 29:26.290 minimal delay and safety in the system . 29:26.300 --> 29:28.989 Um , and we can do that by , by folks 29:29.000 --> 29:31.167 calling . And if you want to just call 29:31.167 --> 29:33.278 up and let us know you're there , but 29:33.278 --> 29:32.910 you don't want traffic advisors . 29:32.939 --> 29:35.106 That's fine . We can verify you out to 29:35.106 --> 29:37.106 whenever you're there . It's good . 29:37.106 --> 29:39.161 We'll let everybody else know that's 29:39.161 --> 29:41.217 flying them up . Are you gonna bring 29:41.217 --> 29:43.161 that this close to the , the , the 29:43.161 --> 29:45.272 safety guys ? I can talk to that . So 29:45.272 --> 29:47.217 whenever we come out to visit your 29:47.217 --> 29:49.106 airports and everything , it will 29:49.106 --> 29:51.272 likely to be myself or uh , my part of 29:51.272 --> 29:53.161 the NCO doctor , not commissioned 29:53.161 --> 29:55.328 officer in charge of my sergeant house 29:55.328 --> 29:57.439 here . Uh We'll visit you . We'll set 29:57.439 --> 29:57.229 up an arrangement with either the 29:57.239 --> 29:59.295 airfield managers , the feo managers 29:59.295 --> 30:01.461 chief , whoever you want to have these 30:01.461 --> 30:03.572 discussions on bringing products . We 30:03.572 --> 30:05.572 actually brought a few of them here 30:05.572 --> 30:05.375 today with some of these medical and 30:05.385 --> 30:07.441 avoidance handbooks , these products 30:07.441 --> 30:09.385 will be updated to reflect the new 30:09.385 --> 30:11.552 apace changes . Whenever we come visit 30:11.552 --> 30:13.663 you , any questions you have that you 30:13.663 --> 30:13.454 want to ask of us , we'll be happy to 30:13.464 --> 30:15.742 provide any answers to any instruction , 30:15.742 --> 30:17.853 guidance , how to use tips . And uh , 30:17.853 --> 30:20.075 we'll also bring up the poster for your 30:20.075 --> 30:22.131 coming room as well . Also had these 30:22.131 --> 30:24.353 guys uh along the same lines when we go 30:24.353 --> 30:26.520 out to make this business team , bring 30:26.520 --> 30:28.631 things that could be post , put up to 30:28.631 --> 30:31.130 talk about how to contact his post . Uh 30:31.140 --> 30:32.918 And if there's a question about 30:32.918 --> 30:36.040 cheaters here , now say that we get out 30:36.050 --> 30:38.630 of issues , so it's 30:40.089 --> 30:42.319 proper for possibly . Yes , sir . 30:45.329 --> 30:48.849 The worst case might be in the order of 30:48.900 --> 30:51.011 five minutes or so . I would say that 30:51.011 --> 30:53.219 would be worst case . And we have seen 30:53.229 --> 30:56.390 more of this lately of pilots calling , 30:57.040 --> 30:59.040 want to pick up their clearance and 30:59.040 --> 31:01.420 hope which is great . Get your 31:01.430 --> 31:03.652 clearance and then we'll let you know , 31:03.652 --> 31:05.874 call us back when you get to the end of 31:05.874 --> 31:07.930 the runway because everybody's got a 31:07.930 --> 31:09.986 cell phone these days . Call us back 31:09.986 --> 31:12.041 when you get in the runway , we know 31:12.041 --> 31:11.349 you're ready to go . We know what 31:11.359 --> 31:13.359 runway you're at and then we can de 31:13.359 --> 31:15.581 conflate and give you your instructions 31:15.581 --> 31:17.859 and get you off as quickly as possible . 31:20.119 --> 31:22.819 Should be very little . Once , once we 31:22.829 --> 31:25.459 see you come on the scope , this is , 31:27.780 --> 31:29.890 this is so hard to see from probably 31:29.900 --> 31:31.900 right here . But this White House , 31:31.900 --> 31:34.122 this is our basic here . So it's down , 31:34.122 --> 31:36.233 the blue is all about . So let's just 31:36.233 --> 31:38.456 say you're coming and this is the pecan 31:38.500 --> 31:40.500 war tactic you're coming from the , 31:40.500 --> 31:43.239 from the Northwest Center is flashing 31:43.250 --> 31:45.439 you well out here . So we're , we're 31:45.449 --> 31:47.393 seeing you coming and that we have 31:47.393 --> 31:49.282 plenty of time regardless of what 31:49.282 --> 31:51.005 you're flying to go to the Mua 31:51.010 --> 31:53.790 controller and get whoever's working in 31:53.800 --> 31:57.250 this moa out of the way , climbed up 31:57.260 --> 31:59.482 because it's very easy . You got direct 31:59.482 --> 32:01.371 radio contact , we've got all the 32:01.371 --> 32:03.260 discrete frequencies that they're 32:03.260 --> 32:05.371 working on it . We call them , we get 32:05.371 --> 32:07.593 them above whatever . I think typically 32:07.593 --> 32:07.250 you if you're coming in , most of your 32:07.270 --> 32:09.159 time times go down , they got you 32:09.159 --> 32:11.709 descending to four . So you should 32:11.719 --> 32:14.319 still expect , expect to see that we'll 32:14.329 --> 32:16.729 find the more guys up to five and 32:16.739 --> 32:20.020 you'll come in and , and unless you're 32:20.030 --> 32:21.974 the second or third or we've got I 32:21.974 --> 32:25.430 authorities and that's for the most 32:25.439 --> 32:27.050 part at those two airports . 32:27.050 --> 32:29.217 Thomasville and Moultrie and I , and I 32:29.217 --> 32:31.161 will keep foot stopping over there 32:31.161 --> 32:33.161 because that's where we see most of 32:33.161 --> 32:36.469 that traffic is , the delays is gonna 32:36.479 --> 32:39.040 be your inbound , but we've already 32:39.050 --> 32:41.161 released somebody and waiting on them 32:41.161 --> 32:43.217 to come , come off or there's two of 32:43.217 --> 32:45.439 you inbound or there's two departures . 32:45.439 --> 32:47.661 So we have to manage that . So we could 32:47.661 --> 32:49.772 probably be more effective in letting 32:49.772 --> 32:51.717 you know either on the radio or if 32:51.717 --> 32:53.883 you're on the ground that , hey , it's 32:53.883 --> 32:55.661 gonna be a few minutes . We got 32:55.661 --> 32:57.780 somebody inbound on an approach . You 32:57.790 --> 33:00.012 can , you can get a sense on a day like 33:00.012 --> 33:02.068 this , they're gonna get the airport 33:02.068 --> 33:04.123 site , they're gonna , they're gonna 33:04.123 --> 33:06.290 cancel , you get a couple of the uh um 33:06.329 --> 33:09.069 larger charter flights that don't do 33:09.079 --> 33:11.079 that , that won't cancel in there . 33:11.079 --> 33:12.968 They'll wait till they get on the 33:12.968 --> 33:15.023 ground and that's fine . Um It slows 33:15.023 --> 33:17.246 things down a little bit , but it's not 33:17.246 --> 33:19.357 terrible , but we can do a better job 33:19.357 --> 33:21.468 of letting you know where , where you 33:21.468 --> 33:23.690 at and , and any potential conflicts or 33:23.690 --> 33:25.690 delays that you can expect based on 33:25.690 --> 33:28.589 other traffic , Jim , can you talk to 33:28.670 --> 33:31.060 anybody on the ground , say mo or 33:31.069 --> 33:33.125 wherever they have to go through the 33:33.719 --> 33:35.619 phone or flight service , um , 33:36.339 --> 33:38.979 frequency coverage in those areas is , 33:40.939 --> 33:43.050 uh , even with our , and we got brand 33:43.050 --> 33:46.119 new radio . So , um , it's 33:46.130 --> 33:49.699 probably eight or 900 ft . Radar 33:49.709 --> 33:52.099 coverage is about four or 500 ft . So 33:52.109 --> 33:54.449 we can see you but add that out to , we 33:54.459 --> 33:56.737 couldn't roll it out below that out to , 33:56.737 --> 33:59.839 we couldn't talk to you . Yeah . 34:01.060 --> 34:04.880 Um , anything else ? Yeah , I , 34:05.380 --> 34:07.660 I'm a former controller and 223 10 . 34:08.120 --> 34:11.250 I'm your typical . Uh , I always use , 34:11.260 --> 34:13.739 we , uh , I always stay out no service 34:14.229 --> 34:16.285 interactive because I don't know the 34:16.285 --> 34:18.118 training , but I'm not very good 34:18.118 --> 34:20.370 anywhere . Uh , but now you kind of , I 34:20.379 --> 34:22.989 mean , the system is kinda for me 34:23.060 --> 34:26.620 either not fly or , you know , get into 34:26.629 --> 34:29.709 the , into the active mode . Uh , it , 34:29.719 --> 34:33.539 when the answer 34:33.809 --> 34:37.279 is that , that would be my suggestion 34:37.289 --> 34:39.456 if you're going out flying VFR and you 34:39.456 --> 34:41.456 don't want to , let's just say it , 34:41.456 --> 34:43.400 it's all hot and you don't want to 34:43.400 --> 34:47.290 leave that as a going to Montgomery and 34:47.300 --> 34:49.989 have to fly 7580 miles out of your way . 34:50.989 --> 34:53.322 Uh , especially if you're in , you know , 34:53.322 --> 34:56.919 a small single engine , give us a call , 34:56.929 --> 34:59.040 fly through the mud . These guys will 34:59.040 --> 35:01.096 tell you to , to a man , every pilot 35:01.096 --> 35:03.207 I've h a pilot I've ever talked to as 35:03.207 --> 35:05.040 soon as we give you that traffic 35:05.040 --> 35:06.873 advisor , give them that traffic 35:06.873 --> 35:09.096 advisory . They're clown above . Let me 35:09.096 --> 35:11.207 know when he's clear . Let me know if 35:11.207 --> 35:10.669 he climbs above this or let me know 35:10.679 --> 35:12.790 when he gets within five or six miles 35:12.790 --> 35:15.699 of me . So I can adjust my flight 35:15.709 --> 35:18.129 pattern until the VFR traffic is out of 35:18.139 --> 35:21.659 the mo uh do all the military arrivals . 35:21.669 --> 35:24.649 Are they always talking ? Yes . Well , 35:24.659 --> 35:28.199 they should be . I , you , you , you 35:28.209 --> 35:30.229 may get AAA an occasional one that 35:30.239 --> 35:32.590 bypasses us at Carl Tower . But it's , 35:32.729 --> 35:36.179 I would say that's one in 100 and maybe 35:37.360 --> 35:40.469 that , that's gonna be , that's gonna 35:40.479 --> 35:42.701 start getting back from jet . The other 35:42.701 --> 35:44.868 question I've got is when the airspace 35:45.060 --> 35:47.399 where the debate is , uh and all these 35:47.409 --> 35:49.810 surrounding military bases start seeing 35:50.530 --> 35:54.530 a real low airspace . Uh 10 all the 35:54.540 --> 35:57.570 navy bases uh are , are they gonna 35:57.580 --> 35:59.913 start uh hogar in the air station ? And , 36:00.459 --> 36:03.820 well , the good thing for these guys is 36:03.830 --> 36:07.489 it , yeah , but they own the 36:07.500 --> 36:10.270 scheduling shop . So , so they could , 36:10.610 --> 36:12.777 they could say no . Yeah . So we don't 36:12.777 --> 36:14.888 have a ton of cross flow traffic from 36:14.888 --> 36:17.830 the other bases . Uh And honestly , the 36:17.840 --> 36:19.673 A MS are really the users of low 36:19.673 --> 36:21.679 airspace , not F-16s , F-35s . They 36:21.689 --> 36:23.911 definitely don't like to come down this 36:23.911 --> 36:26.729 low . Um So we've not seen a lot of 36:26.860 --> 36:28.916 what we've not had any requests from 36:28.916 --> 36:30.860 the other bases , uh including the 36:30.860 --> 36:33.000 Alabama Guard , uh the Far Guard . 36:33.010 --> 36:35.010 They're , they're all looking to go 36:35.010 --> 36:37.010 other places we're in communication 36:37.010 --> 36:39.177 with them on some other initiatives on 36:39.177 --> 36:41.177 how do we integrate to go . Like uh 36:41.177 --> 36:43.288 Corina said about fighting higher end 36:43.288 --> 36:45.232 threats and integration with other 36:45.232 --> 36:47.454 assets . It's always to actually go out 36:47.454 --> 36:47.452 to other airspace not to bring them to 36:47.462 --> 36:50.022 here . So , uh this is really solely 36:50.032 --> 36:52.373 for a 10 type training and as an 36:52.383 --> 36:54.550 instructor in the A 10 , when I have a 36:54.550 --> 36:56.772 new up upgrading and flight need in the 36:56.772 --> 36:58.833 A 10 getting used to deconflicting 36:58.843 --> 37:01.010 traffic . It's something we have to do 37:01.010 --> 37:03.232 down , right ? I I had to move my ho to 37:03.232 --> 37:05.343 over Iraq for a U AD to fly through . 37:05.343 --> 37:07.510 That was on a higher priority position 37:07.510 --> 37:09.565 than mine . So you flying through in 37:09.565 --> 37:11.787 your assessment is a great thing for me 37:11.787 --> 37:13.843 to stop a guy who was trying to do , 37:13.843 --> 37:16.010 figure something out on the ground and 37:16.010 --> 37:18.065 do flight lead things and be a pilot 37:18.065 --> 37:20.287 because he still has to be a pilot . So 37:20.287 --> 37:20.045 please by no means , but we appreciate 37:20.055 --> 37:22.222 you guys trying to stay away from us , 37:22.222 --> 37:24.959 but it's a great learning point for us 37:24.969 --> 37:27.330 to give you approach guys a call so 37:27.340 --> 37:29.507 that we can make sure that you're at a 37:29.507 --> 37:31.173 safe altitude , we can safely 37:31.173 --> 37:33.118 deconflict . And as the instructor 37:33.118 --> 37:35.229 running the scenario that I make sure 37:35.229 --> 37:37.340 that guys plan to deconflict from you 37:37.340 --> 37:39.284 is valid , but it's a great random 37:39.284 --> 37:41.451 added that like I can't plan to have a 37:41.451 --> 37:43.673 plane fly through that they got to deal 37:43.673 --> 37:45.784 with now . So please , by all means , 37:45.784 --> 37:45.604 don't feel like you're in , after our 37:45.635 --> 37:47.691 training , we can work , we can work 37:47.691 --> 37:49.913 around it . And the beauty of beauty is 37:49.913 --> 37:52.135 there's so much training area here that 37:52.135 --> 37:54.079 I'll , I can adjust my scenario to 37:54.079 --> 37:56.302 another area that I need to . So please 37:56.302 --> 37:58.413 don't feel like you need to go out of 37:58.413 --> 38:00.579 your way to stay out of ours . And one 38:00.579 --> 38:02.579 last question they are ii , I guess 38:02.579 --> 38:04.875 here but , uh , uh , because I use 38:04.885 --> 38:07.107 flight following extensively , I mean , 38:07.107 --> 38:09.965 almost 100% where I to go to the 38:10.274 --> 38:13.830 military . Uh , but I had Senator 38:13.879 --> 38:16.530 Jackson specifically , uh , tell me 38:16.540 --> 38:18.429 that they did not provide me like 38:18.429 --> 38:20.610 follow because of all the time . Um , 38:22.340 --> 38:24.507 and that's the , that's , that's gonna 38:24.507 --> 38:26.562 be , uh , that's one of those things 38:26.562 --> 38:28.979 that we run into , I would say a lot , 38:28.989 --> 38:32.000 but we do run into it on occasion . A 38:32.010 --> 38:34.939 VFR flight for us is what we call our 38:34.949 --> 38:37.250 flight via transient in flight that's 38:37.699 --> 38:39.810 originated out of our airspace and is 38:39.810 --> 38:42.139 landing out of our airspace . Um , 38:42.929 --> 38:45.040 we'll get Jacksonville Center , we'll 38:45.040 --> 38:47.989 reroute them around and oftentimes 38:48.000 --> 38:50.111 we'll call , say they can fly through 38:50.111 --> 38:52.679 the boat . I don't know if center 38:52.689 --> 38:55.030 doesn't understand or if the pilot 38:55.040 --> 38:57.770 requested A R in around the mower . 38:58.929 --> 39:01.840 It's hard to say , but we do run into 39:01.850 --> 39:04.939 it on , on occasion , but every day we 39:04.949 --> 39:07.600 see , we see random targets and the Os . 39:07.760 --> 39:09.982 And we're always calling that , calling 39:09.982 --> 39:11.889 that traffic out so that they can 39:11.899 --> 39:14.330 deconflict themselves . So , yeah , 39:14.340 --> 39:16.449 please keep calling , keep flying . 39:16.820 --> 39:18.764 Just let us know you're there . It 39:18.764 --> 39:22.479 makes everybody else . There was a , uh , 39:23.020 --> 39:25.620 they had any issue . Uh , 39:27.310 --> 39:29.929 it's , uh , it's just something I , I , 39:30.030 --> 39:32.086 I'm , I'm not too concerned when I'm 39:32.086 --> 39:34.308 talking to you guys . It's when I can't 39:34.308 --> 39:36.530 talk to you guys and when somebody says 39:36.530 --> 39:39.219 we don't , well , we , I will say this 39:39.229 --> 39:40.951 for anybody that's involved in 39:40.951 --> 39:44.439 associations like Jim , um and your 39:44.449 --> 39:47.060 fellow pilots get that word out . You 39:47.070 --> 39:49.237 know , you don't have to go around the 39:49.239 --> 39:51.406 boat . You don't have to cancel that . 39:51.406 --> 39:53.517 Now , Senator , if center termination 39:53.517 --> 39:55.739 because they're too busy , fine . You , 39:55.739 --> 39:57.628 you get it , you get , get to the 39:57.628 --> 39:59.795 airspace , call us up , we'll reid you 39:59.795 --> 40:01.961 and , and work you to the other side . 40:01.961 --> 40:04.072 So we don't have a problem with doing 40:04.072 --> 40:06.295 that . Jacksonville Center does that to 40:06.295 --> 40:08.572 the A 10 and I'm coming back from that . 40:08.572 --> 40:08.300 They're like moody bows are hot . I'm 40:08.310 --> 40:11.250 like , I know I'm going there . So uh I 40:11.260 --> 40:13.370 feel your frustration . Uh We do 40:13.379 --> 40:15.323 interact with Jack Center probably 40:15.323 --> 40:17.490 poorly . We integrate with a different 40:17.490 --> 40:19.790 shop within my OS S . Um And I can read 40:19.800 --> 40:21.967 that up with the , the team down there 40:21.967 --> 40:24.189 as well that , you know , with this new 40:24.189 --> 40:26.244 airspace initiative that having that 40:26.244 --> 40:28.244 flight following is kind of the key 40:28.244 --> 40:28.209 success for flying to South Georgia 40:28.219 --> 40:30.275 that we would ask that make they can 40:30.275 --> 40:32.219 put some emphasis on as people are 40:32.219 --> 40:34.275 trying to get into the South Georgia 40:34.275 --> 40:36.386 into , into these affected areas that 40:36.386 --> 40:38.330 they can , can provide that flight 40:38.330 --> 40:40.386 service , uh the monitoring and then 40:40.386 --> 40:42.497 the early , even if early hand off to 40:42.497 --> 40:44.552 us and if they say no , just call us 40:44.552 --> 40:46.663 early and we'll start working as soon 40:46.663 --> 40:48.886 as we can see you and talk to you a way 40:49.854 --> 40:52.649 to a just sort of agreement that judge 40:53.229 --> 40:55.451 will hand off the VFRF flight following 40:55.479 --> 40:57.423 to you as opposed to the vector of 40:57.423 --> 40:59.646 Miran . I don't think they do that when 40:59.646 --> 41:02.520 they get guarantee . Uh separation II , 41:02.530 --> 41:05.340 I think it's probably F AAA TC states 41:05.350 --> 41:07.517 that probably will prevent that . I'll 41:07.517 --> 41:09.517 talk to them and see kind of what , 41:09.517 --> 41:11.683 what they can do on their side to kind 41:11.683 --> 41:13.794 of start working with us a little bit 41:13.794 --> 41:13.135 better and build that relationship up . 41:13.145 --> 41:15.256 If we have a really good relationship 41:15.256 --> 41:17.478 with them , they seem always willing to 41:17.478 --> 41:19.534 help us . So I think if you bring me 41:19.534 --> 41:21.589 some feedback and come up with a way 41:21.589 --> 41:21.205 forward to work together , I think that 41:21.215 --> 41:24.810 they'd be receptive two things 41:24.820 --> 41:27.379 that I do in four and , and , and I did 41:27.389 --> 41:29.722 it when I first called the airplane was , 41:29.722 --> 41:32.159 is I me out all the local , I use local 41:32.229 --> 41:35.510 uh wait points for X ray on interstate , 41:35.669 --> 41:37.919 all , all those points . So I need to 41:37.929 --> 41:41.260 stay away from it . Uh Is that , are 41:41.270 --> 41:43.270 those procedures gonna change ? Are 41:43.270 --> 41:44.437 those still gonna be 41:47.419 --> 41:49.750 coming back to ? Are they gonna still 41:49.770 --> 41:52.048 transition to the standard points that , 41:52.048 --> 41:54.270 that has not changed ? We have in our , 41:54.270 --> 41:56.381 our wing fly instruction , we haven't 41:56.381 --> 41:58.492 changed any of those procedures for , 41:58.492 --> 42:00.603 for BFR recoveries back to the base . 42:00.603 --> 42:02.714 Um , those all remain the same . They 42:02.714 --> 42:02.360 were just , you're out flying around , 42:02.370 --> 42:04.203 they may look a little different 42:04.203 --> 42:06.092 depending on , at what point they 42:06.092 --> 42:08.639 request recovery , They may finish 42:08.649 --> 42:11.699 their dive to 1000 ft and call up and I 42:11.709 --> 42:13.265 want to come back at 2500 . 42:17.560 --> 42:19.979 Yes . Yes . Yes . We on our m in our m 42:20.050 --> 42:22.560 my high approach position , we had 42:23.199 --> 42:24.977 every single moa has a separate 42:24.977 --> 42:27.620 frequency . We put them on there and 42:27.629 --> 42:29.185 then we can go talk to them 42:29.185 --> 42:31.610 individually as we need to . And that's 42:31.620 --> 42:33.719 how we give them and update them to 42:33.729 --> 42:35.820 traffic as you guys are . It , 42:38.189 --> 42:42.040 it is it for 42:42.050 --> 42:45.370 you ? It was , it's high approach for 42:45.379 --> 42:47.969 them as small m same person . Same , 42:47.979 --> 42:51.909 same frequency . Yeah . Yes , sir . 42:52.050 --> 42:54.217 You all reminded me of a good question 42:54.217 --> 42:56.383 too . Um , with respect to flying even 42:56.383 --> 42:58.550 the lowest I'm a fighter guy . So I've 42:58.550 --> 43:00.550 been overseas the VR traffic , I'll 43:00.550 --> 43:02.717 knock it off to do all that stuff . So 43:02.717 --> 43:04.828 having said that is there a threshold 43:05.080 --> 43:07.949 where like if you got somebody got in , 43:07.959 --> 43:10.750 in traffic , 10 miles , 12 o'clock , 43:10.760 --> 43:12.760 whatever . Oh , cool . I'll flash a 43:12.760 --> 43:14.982 little more of the rock or , you know , 43:14.982 --> 43:16.927 it's five miles a number . At what 43:16.927 --> 43:18.927 point do you guys have to stop what 43:18.927 --> 43:21.320 you're doing for a big or does it just 43:21.330 --> 43:25.169 depend ? That's your question . We 43:25.399 --> 43:28.629 will get notified on identification so 43:28.649 --> 43:32.250 that we , uh , and they , if it's a lot 43:32.260 --> 43:34.149 of times it's gonna be within our 43:34.149 --> 43:36.260 formation dependent and outside of 10 43:36.260 --> 43:38.482 miles , really , it's not a huge factor 43:38.482 --> 43:40.538 once we start penetration it and not 43:40.538 --> 43:42.649 particularly , not a factor . This is 43:42.649 --> 43:44.871 where we're offering and we're gonna go 43:44.871 --> 43:46.649 regionally and then probably be 43:46.649 --> 43:48.871 directed and they'll just talk with you 43:48.871 --> 43:51.038 and we're not , we don't listen , it's 43:51.038 --> 43:53.371 not one time traffic call and that's it . 43:53.371 --> 43:55.260 We're always up there as altitude 43:55.260 --> 43:57.840 change had changed . And I mean , we 43:57.850 --> 44:00.017 get crop dusters out there that we see 44:00.260 --> 44:02.371 that we would assume are crop dusters 44:02.371 --> 44:04.204 that are flying around non , non 44:04.204 --> 44:06.350 smoking . That's the biggest threat 44:06.360 --> 44:08.471 because you don't know who they are , 44:08.471 --> 44:10.693 what they are and what else who they're 44:10.693 --> 44:13.419 at . And you're guessing , well , you 44:13.429 --> 44:15.651 can see what heading are going on , but 44:15.651 --> 44:17.873 it , it often changes because if it's a 44:17.873 --> 44:19.873 crop desperate , they're constantly 44:19.873 --> 44:21.985 turning and doing what they're , what 44:21.985 --> 44:24.699 they're doing . So , um , those are the 44:24.709 --> 44:26.830 biggest threats for these guys . Same 44:26.840 --> 44:29.118 thing , we're constantly updating , um , 44:29.118 --> 44:32.530 as we're moving around and it may be a 44:32.540 --> 44:35.699 crop duster at 500 ft and they may be 44:35.709 --> 44:38.709 at 18,000 ft and it's so far away to 44:38.719 --> 44:40.775 not be important , but we don't know 44:40.775 --> 44:43.790 that for sure . And that's , that , 44:44.219 --> 44:45.775 that could have gone on the 44:45.775 --> 44:47.941 misconception slide too . We will give 44:47.941 --> 44:49.941 them traffic if you don't call us , 44:49.941 --> 44:52.052 we're gonna in your 2500 . Let's just 44:52.052 --> 44:54.052 say your , your aircraft is showing 44:54.052 --> 44:53.989 2500 ft . We'll tell them the altitude 44:54.000 --> 44:56.590 indicates , but we don't know because 44:56.600 --> 44:58.899 we haven't talked to you and validated 44:58.909 --> 45:01.020 your transponder and validated that , 45:01.020 --> 45:03.187 that your , your altitude is correct . 45:03.187 --> 45:05.560 You may be at 1500 ft , but it's off 45:05.570 --> 45:07.889 and showing 25 and we're , we're 45:07.899 --> 45:09.955 telling 25 and they're looking at 25 45:09.955 --> 45:12.121 but it may not be correct . That's why 45:12.121 --> 45:14.010 I would implore call us so we can 45:14.010 --> 45:16.689 validate your mode c and validate your 45:16.699 --> 45:18.810 alt T . Um , and if you don't want to 45:18.810 --> 45:20.921 talk to us fine , just tell us you're 45:20.921 --> 45:23.088 there . We'll put , we'll put a target 45:23.088 --> 45:25.199 or a data tag on your , on your track 45:25.199 --> 45:27.032 and then you go do your business 45:27.032 --> 45:29.143 doesn't matter to us . We didn't have 45:29.143 --> 45:31.088 any type of capabilities of , uh , 45:31.959 --> 45:34.219 increasing the number of a sdab to jump 45:34.600 --> 45:36.822 in here . I know y'all don't like to do 45:36.822 --> 45:39.156 it because y'all that I know what to do , 45:39.156 --> 45:41.322 but it's , it's precisely that we have 45:41.322 --> 45:43.267 an exemption . Um , yeah , federal 45:43.267 --> 45:45.378 exemption for carrying your ESD out . 45:45.378 --> 45:47.489 We have an ESPN , right ? So we are , 45:47.489 --> 45:49.711 that's another thing that can happen on 45:49.711 --> 45:51.711 our air graft . We carry AC has top 45:51.711 --> 45:54.260 with us and a flight , uh ipad so I can 45:54.270 --> 45:57.570 see on your tracks , unfortunately , we , 45:57.580 --> 45:59.790 for the executives , social security , 45:59.979 --> 46:02.146 um seeing our flight patterns , seeing 46:02.146 --> 46:04.330 what we're doing on seeing our tactics 46:04.340 --> 46:08.000 potential is the uh act . So we , 46:09.389 --> 46:11.500 is there an opportunity to do that in 46:11.500 --> 46:13.778 the administrative portion of a , of a ? 46:13.778 --> 46:15.810 So , I mean , the tact totally can 46:16.389 --> 46:18.333 target it under the administrative 46:18.333 --> 46:20.500 portion . And I , I do have capability 46:20.500 --> 46:22.167 to do what we do not have the 46:22.167 --> 46:25.080 capability to do . B then I don't have 46:25.090 --> 46:26.649 to put a gear to do that 46:29.479 --> 46:33.300 anybody else . All right . 46:33.350 --> 46:36.159 Yes , sir . So we're being told this is 46:36.179 --> 46:38.250 a priority for the A 10 to do their 46:38.260 --> 46:40.820 training . Is that correct ? Yes . Ok . 46:40.830 --> 46:43.260 And so , you know , I'm not a real 46:43.270 --> 46:45.929 bright person but uh what , what is the 46:45.939 --> 46:48.217 longevity of the A 10 moving right now ? 46:48.830 --> 46:50.886 Well , these guys could give you the 46:50.886 --> 46:53.052 better timeline than I can . Yeah . So 46:53.052 --> 46:54.886 the timeline is , I think it's a 46:54.886 --> 46:57.108 constantly moving target . We generally 46:57.108 --> 46:59.274 believe uh that we're gonna be here in 46:59.274 --> 47:02.530 moving the Air Force base to 2028 2029 . 47:02.620 --> 47:05.479 So another , you know , six years , um , 47:06.000 --> 47:08.000 things are changing on our database 47:08.000 --> 47:10.278 list . We don't really know for a fact . 47:10.278 --> 47:12.444 We know what the Air Force are , are . 47:12.444 --> 47:14.389 Uh , but the person with the nurse 47:14.389 --> 47:16.556 that's uh the United States Congress , 47:16.556 --> 47:18.667 the society organization on that . So 47:18.667 --> 47:20.722 we're really uh at their disposal of 47:20.729 --> 47:23.179 what's going to happen . We have a plan , 47:23.189 --> 47:26.459 move for that plan . Um , if it sticks , 47:26.469 --> 47:28.025 uh , we'll see about that . 47:32.129 --> 47:34.296 That , that's one of my concerns going 47:34.296 --> 47:36.649 forward is , uh , it's great if you 47:36.659 --> 47:38.881 gotta run around 300 knots . But , uh , 47:38.881 --> 47:40.992 when somebody can run twice as fast , 47:41.280 --> 47:43.830 um , the last thing I worry is that the 47:43.889 --> 47:46.500 F-16 and , you know , on corner deal or 47:46.649 --> 47:48.705 it just take it forward because both 47:48.705 --> 47:50.860 those , it don't happen , we're 47:50.939 --> 47:54.080 breaking sense that so it uh we pass 47:54.159 --> 47:56.381 the gate here and I don't know what the 47:56.381 --> 47:58.820 pain here over here , but uh uh 48:00.830 --> 48:02.886 you probably get the impression that 48:02.886 --> 48:04.552 I'm real afraid of getting um 48:04.552 --> 48:07.959 understood in my top three . So the 48:07.969 --> 48:11.090 F-35 , this is potentially , it has the 48:11.100 --> 48:13.100 most exquisite A B I on it , on the 48:13.100 --> 48:15.267 plane . Their situational awareness of 48:15.267 --> 48:17.649 the airplane is , is second in that 48:17.879 --> 48:19.879 they know where they know where the 48:19.889 --> 48:22.350 earth are . They know where your soul 48:22.360 --> 48:25.090 is . That's not a situation where 48:25.100 --> 48:28.959 aircraft it is , the , the sense 48:29.340 --> 48:33.280 they are not to mention 48:33.290 --> 48:35.830 who knows what the flight profile will 48:35.840 --> 48:38.409 be when that day gets here , if that 48:38.419 --> 48:40.363 day gets here and , and what their 48:40.363 --> 48:43.719 requirements are . So , and I didn't 48:43.729 --> 48:45.729 mention on the on those slides , it 48:45.729 --> 48:48.750 wasn't on there , but the uh chart date 48:48.760 --> 48:52.399 is 11 July um for the airspace . 48:52.409 --> 48:54.949 So we will on 12 July , we will be , 48:55.540 --> 48:57.659 we'll be live . We have been as a air 48:57.669 --> 48:59.613 track patrol facility . We've been 49:00.159 --> 49:02.381 planning for this for quite some time , 49:02.381 --> 49:05.120 we run through simulator problems with 49:05.129 --> 49:08.969 this . We have , we will continue uh to 49:08.979 --> 49:11.201 make sure every controller that we have 49:11.201 --> 49:13.201 is certified has run through all of 49:13.201 --> 49:15.312 these simulator problems . All of our 49:15.312 --> 49:17.479 agreements between us and Jacksonville 49:17.479 --> 49:19.590 Center , us and about us or us and uh 49:19.929 --> 49:22.729 Tallahassee approach uh have all been 49:22.739 --> 49:24.961 updated and then all of our internal uh 49:24.961 --> 49:27.072 guidance within the facility has been 49:27.072 --> 49:29.295 updated to reflect what we're doing and 49:29.295 --> 49:32.610 how we're going to uh manage this , uh 49:32.620 --> 49:35.919 going forward . So if I call it a mo 49:36.219 --> 49:38.739 and you get a sw what do you see it or 49:38.889 --> 49:41.959 if I heard it ? Yeah , about 49:41.969 --> 49:45.280 probably about 800 ft . Yeah . 49:50.379 --> 49:52.435 Yeah , it's probably a little better 49:52.435 --> 49:54.490 with the radio now , uh with our new 49:54.490 --> 49:56.657 radios . But um , definitely the radar 49:56.657 --> 49:57.990 will see that look . Uh 50:01.189 --> 50:03.610 Yeah , we , we did that about a tower 50:03.620 --> 50:06.790 now they call us and uh uh do the , so 50:06.800 --> 50:09.022 we could , we could do the same thing . 50:09.500 --> 50:11.709 Absolutely . And that would , again , 50:11.719 --> 50:13.886 that , that enhance the safety because 50:13.886 --> 50:15.941 we know you're taking off and you're 50:15.941 --> 50:18.108 going wherever VR All right . Well , I 50:18.108 --> 50:20.520 appreciate it . Thank you . Count seats .