1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:02,176 Ok , thank you . And uh good afternoon 2 00:00:02,176 --> 00:00:04,287 to everyone today . Um I just want to 3 00:00:04,287 --> 00:00:06,398 say first , thanks for everyone being 4 00:00:06,398 --> 00:00:08,398 in attendance tonight . It's , it's 5 00:00:08,398 --> 00:00:10,509 awesome to be here um , to talk about 6 00:00:10,509 --> 00:00:12,842 the vital topic and the important topic , 7 00:00:12,842 --> 00:00:14,731 Moody Air Force Base of the , the 8 00:00:14,731 --> 00:00:16,842 airspace initiative that has occurred 9 00:00:16,842 --> 00:00:18,898 over the last couple of years when I 10 00:00:18,898 --> 00:00:18,625 look out the room , I see a lot of 11 00:00:18,635 --> 00:00:20,691 people who are here to support the , 12 00:00:20,691 --> 00:00:22,746 the airmen and the families of Moody 13 00:00:22,746 --> 00:00:24,746 Air Force Base and that's something 14 00:00:24,746 --> 00:00:26,524 that's indispensable to us , uh 15 00:00:26,524 --> 00:00:28,691 something that we require every single 16 00:00:28,691 --> 00:00:28,614 day . So thank you for your continued 17 00:00:28,645 --> 00:00:30,423 support and thank you for being 18 00:00:30,423 --> 00:00:32,534 interested in new and upcoming things 19 00:00:32,534 --> 00:00:34,478 that occur at Moody Air Force Base 20 00:00:34,478 --> 00:00:36,701 tonight though . We're going to discuss 21 00:00:36,701 --> 00:00:38,634 uh the recently approved FAA uh 22 00:00:38,645 --> 00:00:41,615 decision to lower the airspace uh in 23 00:00:41,625 --> 00:00:44,235 the area around Moody Air Force Base . 24 00:00:44,669 --> 00:00:47,180 Um I can tell you this is a , a change 25 00:00:47,189 --> 00:00:49,300 to how we've been doing operations in 26 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:51,356 the airspace that we've come to know 27 00:00:51,356 --> 00:00:53,356 over the last couple of years . But 28 00:00:53,356 --> 00:00:55,578 really the purpose of tonight is to get 29 00:00:55,578 --> 00:00:57,800 a , uh a shared understanding of why uh 30 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,967 we put that process in place to try to 31 00:00:59,967 --> 00:01:02,189 optimize that airspace , the procedures 32 00:01:02,189 --> 00:01:04,356 that we're going to do and then to ask 33 00:01:04,356 --> 00:01:06,467 answer any questions or concerns that 34 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:08,889 people might have about it . Uh But 35 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:11,610 overall , the goal for the uh the 36 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:14,650 airmen and uh the the air crew at Moody 37 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:16,604 Air Force Base , when we looked at 38 00:01:16,604 --> 00:01:18,493 optimizing this airspace , it was 39 00:01:18,493 --> 00:01:20,549 really to enhance our , our training 40 00:01:20,549 --> 00:01:22,771 capacity and our capabilities . So by , 41 00:01:22,771 --> 00:01:24,604 by gaining a little bit of extra 42 00:01:24,604 --> 00:01:26,771 airspace , it allows the men and women 43 00:01:26,771 --> 00:01:29,010 who fly the aircraft at Moody to , to 44 00:01:29,019 --> 00:01:31,330 really simulate those combat 45 00:01:31,339 --> 00:01:33,450 experiences that they , they need and 46 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:35,580 they have and uh by growing this 47 00:01:35,589 --> 00:01:37,922 airspace in the manner that we're doing , 48 00:01:37,922 --> 00:01:39,867 so we continue to operate safely , 49 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,867 we're really allowing them to train 50 00:01:41,867 --> 00:01:44,033 every day and to exercise so that they 51 00:01:44,033 --> 00:01:46,319 can know what it's like and put those 52 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:48,330 aircraft in the positions that they 53 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:50,608 would when they're doing their mission , 54 00:01:50,608 --> 00:01:52,830 which is the defense of our nation . Uh 55 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:55,052 Additionally , you know , since we have 56 00:01:55,052 --> 00:01:57,219 this collective group here , I do want 57 00:01:57,219 --> 00:01:59,330 to talk about how much we deeply care 58 00:01:59,330 --> 00:02:01,497 about the , the flying community , the 59 00:02:01,497 --> 00:02:03,386 uh in , in South Georgia . So the 60 00:02:03,386 --> 00:02:05,269 relationships between the civil 61 00:02:05,279 --> 00:02:08,100 aviation community and the Air Force 62 00:02:08,110 --> 00:02:10,221 have gone back 80 years . And I think 63 00:02:10,221 --> 00:02:11,999 it's been a good experience for 64 00:02:11,999 --> 00:02:13,777 everyone as we've worked to the 65 00:02:13,777 --> 00:02:15,943 airspace understanding and uh actually 66 00:02:15,943 --> 00:02:17,999 safely employed in it for , for that 67 00:02:17,999 --> 00:02:20,221 many years . So we look forward to that 68 00:02:20,221 --> 00:02:22,388 continued support and collaboration as 69 00:02:22,388 --> 00:02:24,499 we move forward . But I do understand 70 00:02:24,499 --> 00:02:26,499 that uh changes like this can , can 71 00:02:26,499 --> 00:02:28,721 drive questions and concerns . So I can 72 00:02:28,721 --> 00:02:30,388 promise all of you that we're 73 00:02:30,388 --> 00:02:30,259 definitely committed to being 74 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:32,789 transparent in this uh so that everyone 75 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,522 understands what the these new 76 00:02:34,529 --> 00:02:36,770 procedures are and will be responsive 77 00:02:36,779 --> 00:02:38,910 to any questions , concerns and 78 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,863 feedback that we get . So not only 79 00:02:40,863 --> 00:02:43,141 tonight , but you'll see in this brief , 80 00:02:43,141 --> 00:02:45,141 we're going to provide uh points of 81 00:02:45,141 --> 00:02:47,252 contact so that anytime you can get a 82 00:02:47,252 --> 00:02:47,179 hold of us to ensure that we're all 83 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:49,023 operating in a safe manner where 84 00:02:49,023 --> 00:02:51,246 everyone feels like we can move forward 85 00:02:51,246 --> 00:02:53,246 together . So again , thank you for 86 00:02:53,246 --> 00:02:55,301 being here tonight . Look forward to 87 00:02:55,301 --> 00:02:57,357 the uh continued partnership and now 88 00:02:57,357 --> 00:02:59,301 I'm gonna uh turn it over over the 89 00:02:59,301 --> 00:02:58,720 introduction . 90 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:10,806 Good evening . Uh I'm Nathan Coyle . 91 00:03:10,806 --> 00:03:12,639 I'm an aviation planner from the 92 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,472 Aviation Division of the Georgia 93 00:03:14,472 --> 00:03:16,583 Department of Transportation . Um Our 94 00:03:16,583 --> 00:03:18,361 department within GD A provides 95 00:03:18,361 --> 00:03:20,306 assistance , funding , support and 96 00:03:20,306 --> 00:03:19,880 regulatory oversight of about 100 and 97 00:03:19,889 --> 00:03:21,833 two public use airports across the 98 00:03:21,833 --> 00:03:23,889 state of Georgia uh on behalf of the 99 00:03:23,889 --> 00:03:26,111 division , I , I'm here tonight just to 100 00:03:26,111 --> 00:03:26,039 say thank you to uh representatives 101 00:03:26,050 --> 00:03:28,161 from the Air Force uh for listening , 102 00:03:28,161 --> 00:03:30,272 diligently to the comments , concerns 103 00:03:30,272 --> 00:03:32,494 and input from our flying community and 104 00:03:32,494 --> 00:03:34,439 airport sponsors over the last few 105 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:36,550 years as you've gone through a few uh 106 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:36,449 revisions of this airspace initiative . 107 00:03:36,660 --> 00:03:38,716 Uh and a specific , thank you to the 108 00:03:38,716 --> 00:03:40,771 the flying community and , and those 109 00:03:40,771 --> 00:03:42,993 airport sponsors , Mr Galloway , who is 110 00:03:42,993 --> 00:03:45,049 a specific leader in identifying key 111 00:03:45,049 --> 00:03:47,160 issues uh to uh consider that process 112 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,382 and , and an additional , thank you for 113 00:03:49,382 --> 00:03:48,455 the continued outreach here that you're 114 00:03:48,464 --> 00:03:50,464 providing this evening and you will 115 00:03:50,464 --> 00:03:52,575 provide to the flying community . Our 116 00:03:52,575 --> 00:03:54,408 department is always open uh for 117 00:03:54,408 --> 00:03:54,354 questions uh from the flying community 118 00:03:54,365 --> 00:03:56,365 and we're always here to assist our 119 00:03:56,365 --> 00:03:58,532 airport sponsors . So please feel free 120 00:03:58,532 --> 00:04:00,643 to reach out if we can uh provide you 121 00:04:00,643 --> 00:03:59,925 assistance . Thank you . 122 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:10,330 I'm uh Jim Galloway . I'm representing 123 00:04:10,339 --> 00:04:12,960 the Georgia Airports Association . Uh 124 00:04:12,970 --> 00:04:15,192 I'm no longer on the board of directors 125 00:04:15,192 --> 00:04:17,359 of the Association , but they asked me 126 00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:17,290 to follow this issue . I've been with 127 00:04:17,299 --> 00:04:19,410 it since it started a couple of years 128 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:21,521 ago . Uh and just want to say that uh 129 00:04:21,521 --> 00:04:23,743 uh we've been through a lot uh over the 130 00:04:23,743 --> 00:04:25,855 past couple of years , we've had time 131 00:04:25,855 --> 00:04:28,021 to express our opinions and things and 132 00:04:28,021 --> 00:04:30,243 now it's time to get the worker bees uh 133 00:04:30,243 --> 00:04:32,466 to show us how the procedures are going 134 00:04:32,466 --> 00:04:32,089 to go for the , the airspace when the 135 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:35,100 active , the low mowers are active . Um 136 00:04:35,109 --> 00:04:37,387 uh I'll give you a peek under the tent . 137 00:04:37,387 --> 00:04:39,553 I've got a prebrief from them and I've 138 00:04:39,553 --> 00:04:41,776 been impressed with the procedures that 139 00:04:41,776 --> 00:04:43,831 they have developed and that they're 140 00:04:43,831 --> 00:04:45,942 going to explain to you all . Uh this 141 00:04:45,942 --> 00:04:48,630 afternoon , there's another association 142 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,696 in Georgia called the Association of 143 00:04:50,696 --> 00:04:52,970 Georgia General Aviation Airports and 144 00:04:52,980 --> 00:04:55,147 the chairman of the board this year is 145 00:04:55,147 --> 00:04:57,313 Amber mccall and she's out of Toccoa , 146 00:04:57,313 --> 00:04:59,480 Georgia , which is up in the mountains 147 00:04:59,480 --> 00:04:59,130 in North Georgia . And she wanted to 148 00:04:59,140 --> 00:05:01,029 come down . She just logistically 149 00:05:01,029 --> 00:05:03,084 couldn't , couldn't make it . So she 150 00:05:03,084 --> 00:05:05,196 asked me if I would read some remarks 151 00:05:05,196 --> 00:05:07,418 that she prepared uh for the folks here 152 00:05:07,418 --> 00:05:09,529 in attendance today . Uh So firstly , 153 00:05:09,529 --> 00:05:11,751 on behalf of the Association of Georgia 154 00:05:11,751 --> 00:05:13,862 General Aviation Airports , thank you 155 00:05:13,862 --> 00:05:15,918 for the invitation to be included in 156 00:05:15,918 --> 00:05:18,140 the conversations of the implementation 157 00:05:18,140 --> 00:05:17,429 of new procedures regarding the moody 158 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,496 air force base , military operations 159 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:21,929 area . We sincerely regret regret that 160 00:05:21,940 --> 00:05:23,718 we could not make an appearance 161 00:05:23,718 --> 00:05:25,884 personally at this meeting . However , 162 00:05:25,884 --> 00:05:27,884 the importance of being included in 163 00:05:27,884 --> 00:05:27,839 these discussions is no less important 164 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:29,940 to us as representatives of General 165 00:05:29,950 --> 00:05:32,239 Aviation system in Georgia . We thank 166 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:34,472 Moody Air Force Base that the impact of 167 00:05:34,472 --> 00:05:36,361 the new operations initiatives on 168 00:05:36,361 --> 00:05:38,250 surrounding airports were kept in 169 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:40,528 consideration in their decision making , 170 00:05:40,528 --> 00:05:42,639 considering our position as a partner 171 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:44,861 in this endeavor . We look forward to a 172 00:05:44,861 --> 00:05:46,917 successful implementation of the new 173 00:05:46,917 --> 00:05:46,579 parameters for military training 174 00:05:46,589 --> 00:05:48,533 resulting in a mutually beneficial 175 00:05:48,533 --> 00:05:50,589 result for both moody air force base 176 00:05:50,589 --> 00:05:52,256 and airports in the area as a 177 00:05:52,256 --> 00:05:54,089 collective voice for our airport 178 00:05:54,089 --> 00:05:55,700 members . Upon the practical 179 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:57,700 utilization of the new parameters , 180 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:59,700 media , air force base and affected 181 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:01,811 airports . For continuous improvement 182 00:06:01,811 --> 00:06:01,309 of the process . From either direction 183 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,542 of those involved , we will from either 184 00:06:03,549 --> 00:06:05,660 direction of those involved , we will 185 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:07,716 make our mission at AGA is what they 186 00:06:07,716 --> 00:06:09,716 call themselves to communicate with 187 00:06:09,716 --> 00:06:11,827 airports about the impacts of the new 188 00:06:11,827 --> 00:06:13,993 MOA to their operation as a measure of 189 00:06:13,993 --> 00:06:15,993 continuing education and discussion 190 00:06:15,993 --> 00:06:15,920 amongst all involved for a positive 191 00:06:15,929 --> 00:06:17,985 outcome . Again , thank you for your 192 00:06:17,985 --> 00:06:20,207 time and your willingness to include in 193 00:06:20,207 --> 00:06:22,151 these matters . We look forward to 194 00:06:22,151 --> 00:06:24,262 continuing discussion and involvement 195 00:06:24,262 --> 00:06:23,850 for the betterment of our aviation 196 00:06:23,859 --> 00:06:25,220 system on the whole . 197 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:38,950 Pardon me , 198 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:44,526 folks , I appreciate everybody being 199 00:06:44,526 --> 00:06:46,692 here . Colonel sheets . Thank you . Um 200 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:49,670 My name is Keith Raulerson . I have uh 201 00:06:49,679 --> 00:06:51,589 38 years of air traffic control 202 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,656 experience 20 years active duty with 203 00:06:53,656 --> 00:06:56,040 the air force , an additional 18 years 204 00:06:56,049 --> 00:06:58,271 working for the air force as a civilian 205 00:06:58,271 --> 00:07:00,271 controller . So , and of that , the 206 00:07:00,271 --> 00:07:03,089 last 21 years has been at Moody uh 207 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:05,267 working about us approach control . So 208 00:07:06,309 --> 00:07:10,170 I led my experience to help us resolve 209 00:07:10,209 --> 00:07:13,329 any questions , discussions , uh issues 210 00:07:13,339 --> 00:07:15,570 that , that may have come up in this 211 00:07:15,579 --> 00:07:17,857 lower , lower in the airspace endeavor . 212 00:07:18,459 --> 00:07:20,880 So we just went through uh the opening 213 00:07:20,890 --> 00:07:23,779 remarks , we're gonna look at uh 214 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:26,559 summary of changes . So as you can see , 215 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:29,109 uh we're , we're lower , we're a 216 00:07:29,119 --> 00:07:32,230 Porsche Mustang , Moa war moa and 217 00:07:32,239 --> 00:07:34,429 Corsair North moa . Portions of those 218 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,989 are being lowered to 1000 ft as a floor 219 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,320 and the courses are south low moa the 220 00:07:39,329 --> 00:07:42,269 entirety down to 1000 ft . Moody two 221 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:46,029 north change from a base of 500 ft 222 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,750 down to 100 ft and then included a moa 223 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,989 underneath the Grand Bay . Uh restrict 224 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,869 area 3008 range adjacent to Moody . 225 00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:58,476 Let's look at some common mis 226 00:07:58,476 --> 00:08:01,820 misconceptions . So mo are a wall 227 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:03,970 blocking flight to everybody . That's 228 00:08:03,980 --> 00:08:07,079 not the case . We have zero 229 00:08:07,089 --> 00:08:09,200 restrictions for ready for our flight 230 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,959 and in , in that I will encourage this 231 00:08:11,970 --> 00:08:13,859 like I have in and in many of the 232 00:08:13,859 --> 00:08:15,914 conversations that we've , we've had 233 00:08:15,914 --> 00:08:17,859 throughout the airports across the 234 00:08:17,859 --> 00:08:20,081 state . If you're out flying around via 235 00:08:20,081 --> 00:08:22,192 R , please call us . We would love to 236 00:08:22,192 --> 00:08:24,359 know who you are , what you're doing , 237 00:08:24,359 --> 00:08:26,470 what out who you're at so that we can 238 00:08:26,470 --> 00:08:28,637 let these guys are out flying around , 239 00:08:28,637 --> 00:08:31,410 know that you're there . We'll see the 240 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:33,587 target where you , whether you call us 241 00:08:33,587 --> 00:08:35,642 or not . But if we've got a verified 242 00:08:35,642 --> 00:08:35,320 attitude , we know exactly what you're 243 00:08:35,330 --> 00:08:37,552 doing . We give them more information , 244 00:08:37,552 --> 00:08:39,552 they can deconflict themselves from 245 00:08:39,552 --> 00:08:41,669 wherever you're at . That helps with 246 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,846 the safety in the whole system all the 247 00:08:43,846 --> 00:08:47,640 way around . Moody or vas approach and 248 00:08:47,650 --> 00:08:49,706 moody cleaner slavery . Two separate 249 00:08:49,706 --> 00:08:51,928 agencies . That's not the case . We are 250 00:08:51,928 --> 00:08:53,983 all in one room together and it goes 251 00:08:53,983 --> 00:08:56,150 into the next , next one as well . The 252 00:08:56,150 --> 00:08:58,150 mole minor and Vasa high approach . 253 00:08:58,150 --> 00:09:00,179 We're all in the same one radar 254 00:09:00,190 --> 00:09:02,770 facility . We have several positions , 255 00:09:03,059 --> 00:09:05,669 all of those individual positions are 256 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,846 there together in one room . We can do 257 00:09:08,260 --> 00:09:10,149 airspace c conviction we could do 258 00:09:10,149 --> 00:09:12,316 coordinations . We could do uh satisfy 259 00:09:12,316 --> 00:09:14,530 requests all across the room very 260 00:09:14,539 --> 00:09:16,770 quickly , very seamlessly and hopefully 261 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:19,340 with very little delay to the general a 262 00:09:19,349 --> 00:09:20,627 aviation flying public 263 00:09:23,049 --> 00:09:25,216 differences in the mo between schedule 264 00:09:25,216 --> 00:09:27,271 and hot . So there has been a lot of 265 00:09:27,271 --> 00:09:29,438 questions about . Ok , so you're going 266 00:09:29,438 --> 00:09:31,493 to be out there in the mo at 1000 ft 267 00:09:31,493 --> 00:09:34,309 from 0 800 to 100 . That's not the case . 268 00:09:34,609 --> 00:09:36,950 We currently deconflict and , and 269 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,859 activate airspace very dynamically . Uh 270 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,936 As these guys are wearing the flight 271 00:09:42,936 --> 00:09:44,991 suits could tell you they may go out 272 00:09:44,991 --> 00:09:44,979 for an hour and a half mission , but 273 00:09:44,989 --> 00:09:48,700 they may be in motu South Hog South and 274 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:50,654 they want to transition the course 275 00:09:50,654 --> 00:09:52,321 there . After 20 minutes , we 276 00:09:52,321 --> 00:09:55,760 deactivate and activate as a need based 277 00:09:55,770 --> 00:09:57,992 on whatever their training requirements 278 00:09:57,992 --> 00:10:00,159 are . So we will continue to do that . 279 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:02,840 So it's not going to be hot or active , 280 00:10:02,849 --> 00:10:05,380 whichever term you would prefer to use 281 00:10:06,099 --> 00:10:08,099 for that whole time period . That's 282 00:10:08,099 --> 00:10:10,159 just the scheduled uh hours that is 283 00:10:10,169 --> 00:10:12,599 published in the study 400.10 . 284 00:10:15,770 --> 00:10:19,030 So typically an hour and a half sort uh 285 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:20,983 occasionally longer than that , uh 286 00:10:20,983 --> 00:10:23,261 sometimes shorter than that depends on , 287 00:10:23,261 --> 00:10:25,372 on what the case may be . But again , 288 00:10:25,372 --> 00:10:27,539 we we are in direct contact with those 289 00:10:27,539 --> 00:10:30,219 aircraft 100% of the time . So if we 290 00:10:30,229 --> 00:10:32,396 need to get in contact with them to de 291 00:10:32,396 --> 00:10:34,007 conflate , give them traffic 292 00:10:34,007 --> 00:10:36,229 information , let them know what you're 293 00:10:36,229 --> 00:10:38,396 doing . We've got an emergency , we've 294 00:10:38,396 --> 00:10:37,950 got an air vac or a medevac flight , 295 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,016 whatever the case may be , we can do 296 00:10:40,016 --> 00:10:42,440 that real time . Um very quickly 297 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:46,750 deconfliction . Um As 298 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,982 always if you're a pilot , you know , a 299 00:10:48,982 --> 00:10:51,650 see and avoid the A tens . And this is 300 00:10:51,659 --> 00:10:53,659 probably something that the G eight 301 00:10:53,659 --> 00:10:55,492 folks in the room probably don't 302 00:10:55,492 --> 00:10:57,270 understand or realize they have 303 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:59,270 capabilities in the aircraft . They 304 00:10:59,270 --> 00:11:01,492 don't have radar per se , but they have 305 00:11:01,492 --> 00:11:03,659 a , have a data link . Uh and they get 306 00:11:03,659 --> 00:11:05,548 information on traffic in the moa 307 00:11:05,548 --> 00:11:07,381 that's walking . So if you got a 308 00:11:07,381 --> 00:11:07,299 transponder , you got it turned on , 309 00:11:07,419 --> 00:11:09,586 they will , they will see that traffic 310 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,586 in addition to us letting them know 311 00:11:11,586 --> 00:11:13,808 about that traffic . And then if you're 312 00:11:13,808 --> 00:11:15,808 talking to us , we can let you know 313 00:11:15,808 --> 00:11:17,863 they're there and what they're doing 314 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,659 their plans . Um They don't do 315 00:11:20,669 --> 00:11:24,010 aerobatics uh below 5000 ft . That's , 316 00:11:24,020 --> 00:11:26,242 that's their rules . They have to stick 317 00:11:26,242 --> 00:11:28,131 to those rules . There's no uh no 318 00:11:28,131 --> 00:11:31,520 getting around that . So in this , I'll 319 00:11:31,530 --> 00:11:33,863 go ahead and go to the next one as well . 320 00:11:33,863 --> 00:11:36,250 The um they won't be doing maneuvers 321 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,371 like that in the clouds . They got to 322 00:11:38,371 --> 00:11:40,427 stay clear of clouds . So that helps 323 00:11:40,427 --> 00:11:42,482 with you seeing them and them seeing 324 00:11:42,482 --> 00:11:44,649 you . So that helps that deconfliction 325 00:11:44,649 --> 00:11:47,929 process . But their flight sorties or 326 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:51,330 their flight profiles are start high 327 00:11:51,469 --> 00:11:54,219 dive , attack a target and pull back 328 00:11:54,229 --> 00:11:56,640 out . So their time at 1000 ft is going 329 00:11:56,650 --> 00:11:59,570 to be minimal . It's going to be any 330 00:11:59,729 --> 00:12:01,729 anybody can give me , give me an 331 00:12:01,739 --> 00:12:03,795 estimate , but it's going to be very 332 00:12:03,795 --> 00:12:05,940 minimal . Um Probably a minute , two 333 00:12:05,950 --> 00:12:08,739 minutes or less . And as they're doing 334 00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:10,806 that , we're always updating them on 335 00:12:10,806 --> 00:12:13,028 you . We're always updating you on them 336 00:12:13,028 --> 00:12:16,530 if you're talking to us . So let's look 337 00:12:16,539 --> 00:12:18,799 at ifr arrival procedures , what you 338 00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:20,920 see on the top . Uh , that's a couple 339 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,087 of example , flight strips that we get 340 00:12:23,087 --> 00:12:25,253 in the facility , you file your flight 341 00:12:25,253 --> 00:12:27,365 plan , uh , from wherever you take it 342 00:12:27,365 --> 00:12:27,159 off from , you're coming in into one of 343 00:12:27,169 --> 00:12:29,750 the airports in our airspace or JC to 344 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,250 our airspace . This is what we get . We 345 00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:34,830 get where you're going , who you are . 346 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:37,131 We get a coordinations fix . It gives 347 00:12:37,131 --> 00:12:39,131 us an idea of what direction you're 348 00:12:39,131 --> 00:12:41,270 coming from and we've got a time . So 349 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,502 as soon as it's 30 minutes out from the 350 00:12:43,502 --> 00:12:45,502 airport , we get that strip . So we 351 00:12:45,502 --> 00:12:48,239 know you're coming in the middle 15 352 00:12:48,250 --> 00:12:50,679 minutes prior . You look in the middle 353 00:12:50,690 --> 00:12:52,857 section where it says November 1 , 2 , 354 00:12:52,857 --> 00:12:55,789 Whiskey Foxtrot and it's got hol that's 355 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:59,609 a handoff to our low sector when that 356 00:12:59,619 --> 00:13:02,369 aircraft is approaching the boundary . 357 00:13:02,590 --> 00:13:04,820 Jacksonville Centers put in , put in a 358 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:07,630 handoff status . We see that it gives 359 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,830 us time to go clear up the moa either 360 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,859 climb , descend or move laterally 361 00:13:12,869 --> 00:13:15,489 whatever the case may be to get those a 362 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:17,722 tens out of the way so that we can take 363 00:13:17,722 --> 00:13:19,667 that hand off and get you into the 364 00:13:19,667 --> 00:13:21,889 airport with very little delay . And as 365 00:13:21,889 --> 00:13:23,889 soon as you're either on the ground 366 00:13:23,889 --> 00:13:25,944 canceled ifr or gone missed approach 367 00:13:25,944 --> 00:13:28,056 we'll deal with the missed approach , 368 00:13:28,056 --> 00:13:30,167 um , as the case may be , but as soon 369 00:13:30,167 --> 00:13:32,278 as we're , you're done , we'll go and 370 00:13:32,278 --> 00:13:36,010 give them the m back departures . 371 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,844 Same thing , a couple of departure 372 00:13:38,844 --> 00:13:41,067 ships . We got a to , or Thomasville to 373 00:13:41,067 --> 00:13:43,233 Savannah and we got a TIF to Decatur , 374 00:13:43,233 --> 00:13:45,469 Alabama . Um , same information who you 375 00:13:45,479 --> 00:13:48,239 are , what you're flying , uh , beacon 376 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:50,250 code time you're taking off . We're 377 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:52,417 gonna get those 30 minutes , exactly , 378 00:13:52,417 --> 00:13:54,639 30 minutes from your proposed time they 379 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,750 pop up . So as soon as we get it , we 380 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:59,880 know we start planning , we ask if 381 00:13:59,890 --> 00:14:02,057 you're gonna take off Ifr and we would 382 00:14:02,057 --> 00:14:04,340 prefer you take off ifr for you to call 383 00:14:04,349 --> 00:14:06,238 us on the ground . We'll have the 384 00:14:06,238 --> 00:14:08,182 information for anybody that's not 385 00:14:08,182 --> 00:14:10,405 familiar at the end . Give us a call on 386 00:14:10,405 --> 00:14:12,405 the ground . The clearance delivery 387 00:14:12,405 --> 00:14:14,627 person you're talking to is in the same 388 00:14:14,627 --> 00:14:13,890 room with the guy that's working the 389 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:16,109 aircraft in the morning . We go down 390 00:14:16,119 --> 00:14:18,460 real time deconflict say , hey , I need 391 00:14:18,909 --> 00:14:21,760 the base of the mow to be 5000 ft and 392 00:14:21,770 --> 00:14:23,881 we're going to give 4000 ft departure 393 00:14:23,881 --> 00:14:26,729 restriction and a release off . You go , 394 00:14:26,739 --> 00:14:28,961 we'll work you through the mower . Once 395 00:14:28,961 --> 00:14:31,017 you clear the mower , those guys get 396 00:14:31,017 --> 00:14:34,570 the , get the mower back . And this is 397 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:36,802 kind of how this looks . If you look on 398 00:14:36,802 --> 00:14:38,969 the left hand side , if you're looking 399 00:14:38,969 --> 00:14:38,799 at course air , this is your normal 400 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:41,030 life 1000 ft to flight level 230 , 401 00:14:41,299 --> 00:14:43,132 you're down at times . So you're 402 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:45,299 waiting to go , you call , we're going 403 00:14:45,299 --> 00:14:47,410 to go down . We're going to give that 404 00:14:47,410 --> 00:14:49,632 or request that restriction . The mower 405 00:14:49,632 --> 00:14:51,743 monitor , high approach controller is 406 00:14:51,743 --> 00:14:51,739 going to take care of that restriction . 407 00:14:52,049 --> 00:14:54,382 Once the A tens are above that altitude , 408 00:14:54,382 --> 00:14:56,979 the release is issued off . You go , 409 00:14:57,020 --> 00:14:59,076 you climb up , you go underneath the 410 00:14:59,076 --> 00:15:01,242 mower , you get out the other side and 411 00:15:01,242 --> 00:15:03,298 we continue your climb or your , you 412 00:15:03,298 --> 00:15:05,520 stay level if that is whatever the case 413 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,742 may be for , for your , excuse me , for 414 00:15:07,742 --> 00:15:09,964 your flight . These are the more tricky 415 00:15:09,964 --> 00:15:13,080 ones , the VFRIFR . 416 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:16,679 That's why I said before . Um , we 417 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:18,801 would always stress folks to call and 418 00:15:18,801 --> 00:15:20,912 get your IR clearance on the ground , 419 00:15:20,912 --> 00:15:22,857 but it's your prerogative . If you 420 00:15:22,857 --> 00:15:25,023 don't , if you do , you call up in the 421 00:15:25,023 --> 00:15:27,023 middle of the more , let's just say 422 00:15:27,023 --> 00:15:29,246 you're 2500 3500 4500 ft , whatever the 423 00:15:29,246 --> 00:15:31,301 case may be and you're in one of the 424 00:15:31,301 --> 00:15:33,523 jets and you're climbing pretty quick . 425 00:15:33,523 --> 00:15:35,746 We have to now create a hole in the moa 426 00:15:35,746 --> 00:15:37,912 for you . We identify , you figure out 427 00:15:37,912 --> 00:15:40,023 where you're going . You want to pick 428 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:41,912 up your ifr , we go down to motor 429 00:15:41,912 --> 00:15:44,119 controller , create a space , whatever 430 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:46,352 it may be a 5000 ft block , it may be a 431 00:15:46,352 --> 00:15:48,352 2000 ft block , whatever it is , it 432 00:15:48,352 --> 00:15:50,380 works for us and it is different in 433 00:15:50,390 --> 00:15:52,760 every situation based on where they're 434 00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:54,826 at in the moa based on what altitude 435 00:15:54,826 --> 00:15:56,937 you're at in the MOA . And we're also 436 00:15:56,937 --> 00:15:59,048 going to look at what airplane you're 437 00:15:59,048 --> 00:16:01,270 flying . If you're in 182 and you're at 438 00:16:01,270 --> 00:16:00,849 3000 ft , we're probably gonna stop you 439 00:16:00,859 --> 00:16:04,619 at 3500 , get them above you , give you 440 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,797 your clearance and work you underneath 441 00:16:06,797 --> 00:16:08,908 them all . If you're in a Gulf stream 442 00:16:08,908 --> 00:16:10,908 and you're at 55 and we're probably 443 00:16:10,908 --> 00:16:12,963 gonna get them underneath you so you 444 00:16:12,963 --> 00:16:15,186 can continue your , your climb . But it 445 00:16:15,186 --> 00:16:17,408 is all dynamic based on where you're at 446 00:16:17,408 --> 00:16:19,519 and where they're at . We had figured 447 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,741 that out real time . There's been a lot 448 00:16:21,741 --> 00:16:23,797 of questions in the discussions over 449 00:16:23,797 --> 00:16:26,019 these past couple of years of , we want 450 00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:28,352 a , we want an answer , a single answer . 451 00:16:28,352 --> 00:16:30,241 A single answer is not , it's not 452 00:16:30,241 --> 00:16:32,463 possible in , in this situation because 453 00:16:32,463 --> 00:16:34,686 of where you're at and where they're at 454 00:16:34,686 --> 00:16:36,686 and it is very dynamic . It is real 455 00:16:36,686 --> 00:16:39,969 time . We will fix that problem as it 456 00:16:39,979 --> 00:16:43,690 occurs . Um Same thing you get out the 457 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,978 other side of the mower , they go back , 458 00:16:45,978 --> 00:16:49,539 they got the full mow again . Um Next 459 00:16:49,549 --> 00:16:51,549 steps , we've got our flight safety 460 00:16:51,549 --> 00:16:53,605 folks in the , in the back as well . 461 00:16:54,479 --> 00:16:56,646 Starting in the near future . We don't 462 00:16:56,646 --> 00:16:58,701 know exactly the , the start date or 463 00:16:58,701 --> 00:17:00,923 the scheduled dates , but we want to go 464 00:17:00,923 --> 00:17:02,923 out and reach again with the flight 465 00:17:02,923 --> 00:17:05,819 safety folks and a controller in tow 466 00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:10,589 and go talk to all the airports , find 467 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:13,119 the airport manager , talk to the FBO , 468 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:15,421 get as many pilots in room as you can . 469 00:17:15,421 --> 00:17:17,588 Let's hear what issues you're having . 470 00:17:17,650 --> 00:17:20,270 Let's hear what , what's not working , 471 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,058 what may be working and we make 472 00:17:22,058 --> 00:17:24,058 adjustments and improve the process 473 00:17:24,058 --> 00:17:26,170 from there . What we have in place so 474 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:28,760 far at this point , very solid plan to 475 00:17:28,770 --> 00:17:30,770 get these guys are trained to their 476 00:17:30,770 --> 00:17:32,709 need and get you guys going where 477 00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:34,886 you're , where you're going to get you 478 00:17:34,886 --> 00:17:36,830 into the airport with little to no 479 00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:40,219 delay . Um Contact information is there 480 00:17:40,229 --> 00:17:42,451 for anybody who wants to take a look at 481 00:17:42,451 --> 00:17:44,785 it , write it down , take a photo of it . 482 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:47,066 The frequencies are on there for the 483 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,066 low approach , the high approach uh 484 00:17:49,066 --> 00:17:51,343 slash small monitor clinics , delivery . 485 00:17:51,343 --> 00:17:53,530 We prefer you to call on the phone 486 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:56,430 number because that gets you right into 487 00:17:56,439 --> 00:17:58,439 the room to the controller that can 488 00:17:58,439 --> 00:18:01,089 best get you on your way as quickly as 489 00:18:01,099 --> 00:18:04,579 possible . There's gonna be some folks 490 00:18:04,589 --> 00:18:06,645 out there still prefer to use flight 491 00:18:06,645 --> 00:18:08,867 service that's adding another step in , 492 00:18:08,867 --> 00:18:10,922 into that process and adding another 493 00:18:10,922 --> 00:18:13,200 entity in into the coordinations piece . 494 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,478 So that phone number gets you right in , 495 00:18:15,478 --> 00:18:17,700 in the room . That's what we use for mo 496 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:19,922 for most folks . Anyway , we get you uh 497 00:18:19,922 --> 00:18:22,033 get you clearance and get you on your 498 00:18:22,033 --> 00:18:25,229 way . Uh Our facility manager , so me , 499 00:18:25,589 --> 00:18:27,770 our crews which is over here with us . 500 00:18:29,339 --> 00:18:31,506 Her phone number is on there as well . 501 00:18:31,506 --> 00:18:33,839 We , we prefer a call if you got issues , 502 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:35,950 you got complaints if something's not 503 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:37,839 right . You got a question call , 504 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,430 flight safety , you got a safety issue . 505 00:18:40,439 --> 00:18:42,989 You got , you got an issue about , uh , 506 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 airplanes being too low . They were 507 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,167 doing something unsafe , whatever that 508 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:49,333 case may be . Give flight safety folks 509 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:51,500 a call . If you want to talk to them , 510 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:53,556 talk to PAP . A gets those calls , I 511 00:18:53,556 --> 00:18:55,667 wouldn't say frequently , but they do 512 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:55,180 get those calls and they fill those 513 00:18:55,189 --> 00:18:58,209 calls And I personally from , for my 514 00:18:58,219 --> 00:19:01,189 additional job about o approach , I get 515 00:19:01,199 --> 00:19:03,421 the back end of that . I get to go look 516 00:19:03,421 --> 00:19:05,532 at the radar , investigate recordings 517 00:19:05,532 --> 00:19:07,421 and find out , hey , was somebody 518 00:19:07,421 --> 00:19:09,421 actually flying too low . So all of 519 00:19:09,421 --> 00:19:11,588 those , I can assure you are looked at 520 00:19:11,588 --> 00:19:15,339 and investigated our uh OS S commander 521 00:19:15,349 --> 00:19:17,689 which is over here . Colon Griffin . 522 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:20,239 Our do is here as well . Their phone 523 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:22,306 numbers on there . You can , you can 524 00:19:22,306 --> 00:19:24,528 get right to the top or pretty close to 525 00:19:24,528 --> 00:19:26,694 the top . Turn , the cap was over here 526 00:19:26,694 --> 00:19:28,750 as well to represent the , the , the 527 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:32,069 group , any of these entities , any of 528 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:34,301 these folks can answer your question or 529 00:19:34,301 --> 00:19:36,246 they can get you an answer to your 530 00:19:36,246 --> 00:19:38,301 question or they can help you get to 531 00:19:38,301 --> 00:19:40,523 the root of the problem and that's what 532 00:19:40,523 --> 00:19:42,746 we're here to do . We want to take care 533 00:19:42,746 --> 00:19:44,635 of any concerns , take care of um 534 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,520 this continuing to make this a 535 00:19:48,530 --> 00:19:50,697 collaborative work environment between 536 00:19:50,697 --> 00:19:52,919 Moody Air Force Base in South Georgia . 537 00:19:52,919 --> 00:19:54,863 These guys are out flying around . 538 00:19:54,863 --> 00:19:56,697 They're , they're affecting many 539 00:19:56,697 --> 00:19:59,329 airports . We , um , we deal with , 540 00:19:59,339 --> 00:20:02,050 with all the airports that are in our 541 00:20:02,060 --> 00:20:04,369 airspace . Uh and all the airports that 542 00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:06,436 are on the , uh just on the adjacent 543 00:20:06,436 --> 00:20:08,602 side of our airspace such as Douglas , 544 00:20:08,602 --> 00:20:11,689 uh Fitzgerald , uh Turner County 545 00:20:12,410 --> 00:20:15,180 and Carol Gray . Uh , they're , they're 546 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,020 outside of our boundary but their 547 00:20:18,439 --> 00:20:20,849 instrument approaches impede in our , 548 00:20:20,859 --> 00:20:22,915 in our airspace . So we take care of 549 00:20:22,915 --> 00:20:24,970 those . Um , We deconflict those all 550 00:20:24,970 --> 00:20:27,920 the time waycross as well . Um And then 551 00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:30,097 you've got the uh website on there for 552 00:20:30,097 --> 00:20:32,250 special use airspace . Uh It's an fa 553 00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:34,316 website , the air force doesn't have 554 00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:36,599 any control of the updating of that . 555 00:20:36,609 --> 00:20:39,069 I'm not sure how the fa updates it if 556 00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:40,890 they update it real time as we 557 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:43,011 coordinate with Jacksonville Center . 558 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,819 Um as we activate , deactivate , we 559 00:20:45,829 --> 00:20:48,319 tell Jacksonville Center real time . So 560 00:20:48,329 --> 00:20:50,162 they always know what's , what's 561 00:20:50,162 --> 00:20:52,162 available because they plan their , 562 00:20:52,162 --> 00:20:54,273 their operation based on what we have 563 00:20:54,273 --> 00:20:57,489 going on . So that takes care of all 564 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:01,209 that summary . More importantly , 565 00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:04,920 questions , Jim , I don't 566 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:07,041 remember the dimensions but I believe 567 00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:09,097 around all the public use airports , 568 00:21:09,097 --> 00:21:11,208 there's a cylinder of like three mile 569 00:21:11,208 --> 00:21:13,097 radius up to 3000 ft or something 570 00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,097 that's excluded from that . Is that 571 00:21:15,097 --> 00:21:17,819 correct ? Cast here ? We talked about 572 00:21:17,829 --> 00:21:19,959 this . So you guys got a , a circle , 573 00:21:19,969 --> 00:21:22,250 is it right ? Yeah , we did our mission 574 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:24,482 planning set up and I went through like 575 00:21:24,482 --> 00:21:26,593 a three mile ring . Uh um where I can 576 00:21:26,593 --> 00:21:27,689 actually um 577 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,150 3000 MS L I think uh 578 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,310 1515 100 . So 579 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:40,602 that might be interesting information , 580 00:21:40,602 --> 00:21:43,579 but we absolutely 581 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:47,770 KK uh I'm sorry to all the questions . 582 00:21:47,780 --> 00:21:50,002 I just want to make a few comments . Um 583 00:21:50,002 --> 00:21:52,058 As so first of all , Colonel N Cap , 584 00:21:52,058 --> 00:21:54,391 I'm commander of the 23rd fighter group , 585 00:21:54,391 --> 00:21:56,790 the OS S rap on railroad control , all 586 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,959 about us . Uh uh controllers that you 587 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:01,925 will speak to uh honoring uh my command 588 00:22:02,035 --> 00:22:03,868 and we have student guidance and 589 00:22:03,868 --> 00:22:06,224 leadership of of uh sheets . I did want 590 00:22:06,234 --> 00:22:08,290 to start out with one comment that I 591 00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:10,290 think is very important for all you 592 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:12,401 hear , you hear from me and here with 593 00:22:12,401 --> 00:22:14,623 the guidance I've given to the teams to 594 00:22:14,623 --> 00:22:14,255 the controllers and all the operators 595 00:22:14,265 --> 00:22:16,321 that are gonna be operating this air 596 00:22:16,321 --> 00:22:18,295 space . The burden is on us . The 597 00:22:18,305 --> 00:22:20,527 burden is on new Air Force base and the 598 00:22:20,527 --> 00:22:22,638 United States Air Force , what I mean 599 00:22:22,638 --> 00:22:25,145 by that it is it coming on them and 600 00:22:25,165 --> 00:22:27,332 they coming on the aviators in the air 601 00:22:27,332 --> 00:22:31,000 space to permit your transit 602 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,729 into and out of the airspace or frankly 603 00:22:33,739 --> 00:22:35,572 through the airspace in the most 604 00:22:35,572 --> 00:22:37,739 expeditious manner without the minimal 605 00:22:37,739 --> 00:22:39,906 amount of interference and the minimal 606 00:22:39,906 --> 00:22:42,030 amount of uh uh additional vectoring 607 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,339 that is required to safely do that . Uh 608 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,959 We will take that upon us , the 609 00:22:46,969 --> 00:22:48,969 controllers that is the target that 610 00:22:48,969 --> 00:22:51,025 giving them going forward and that's 611 00:22:51,025 --> 00:22:53,191 how it would be from year to four . so 612 00:22:53,191 --> 00:22:55,191 you can expect that going forward , 613 00:22:55,191 --> 00:22:57,025 that it should be essentially no 614 00:22:57,025 --> 00:22:56,979 different than how you're operating 615 00:22:56,989 --> 00:22:59,045 right now . Getting into and getting 616 00:22:59,045 --> 00:23:01,267 out of the airspace under either PFR or 617 00:23:01,267 --> 00:23:03,211 IFR control a couple of things you 618 00:23:03,211 --> 00:23:05,545 already mentioned . I wanted a footstep , 619 00:23:05,545 --> 00:23:07,489 uh uh a mo that is hot or active . 620 00:23:07,489 --> 00:23:09,211 However , you want to use that 621 00:23:09,211 --> 00:23:11,433 terminology . Uh That does not mean you 622 00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:13,489 are not permitted entry or exit from 623 00:23:13,489 --> 00:23:15,433 the airspace . All that means that 624 00:23:15,433 --> 00:23:17,656 there's activity in the airspace , they 625 00:23:17,656 --> 00:23:19,878 need to con contact those aviators . So 626 00:23:19,878 --> 00:23:21,933 there's aircraft and let them know , 627 00:23:21,933 --> 00:23:21,869 hey , we have some ir traffic from the 628 00:23:21,939 --> 00:23:24,270 transit , hold north , maintain north 629 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,391 this line or climb to this altitude , 630 00:23:26,391 --> 00:23:28,280 maintain altitude and called your 631 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,447 clearance to when you can proceed back 632 00:23:30,447 --> 00:23:32,869 into the airspace . Um This all happen 633 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,102 and you will not even pretty much , not 634 00:23:35,102 --> 00:23:37,158 even be aware it's going on . You'll 635 00:23:37,158 --> 00:23:38,991 get your clearance expeditiously 636 00:23:38,991 --> 00:23:41,158 generally within about five minutes of 637 00:23:41,158 --> 00:23:43,324 the notification until uh getting into 638 00:23:43,324 --> 00:23:45,436 airspace . If you're entering , we're 639 00:23:45,436 --> 00:23:44,839 gonna have all this doped out before 640 00:23:44,849 --> 00:23:46,960 you even enter . So you'll be able to 641 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,127 continue on your vector uh without any 642 00:23:49,127 --> 00:23:50,960 uh uh significant concerns of rs 643 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:55,810 aerobatics below 5000 ft . We do not do 644 00:23:55,819 --> 00:23:58,550 aero bags , we do tt to maneuver . 645 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,727 There's no aerobatics going on from my 646 00:24:00,727 --> 00:24:02,782 uh from my aviators . They are doing 647 00:24:02,782 --> 00:24:05,004 tactical maneuvering the same that they 648 00:24:05,004 --> 00:24:04,780 would be doing if they're out in a 649 00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:07,010 fight . Um The things that we're using 650 00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:09,510 the airspace for below the 8000 ft mark 651 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,910 is generally a simulated weapons 652 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,253 delivery type profiles where , you know , 653 00:24:14,253 --> 00:24:16,364 where they attend . We have to go out 654 00:24:16,364 --> 00:24:16,229 in front of the aircraft , we have to 655 00:24:16,239 --> 00:24:18,128 point it at something in order to 656 00:24:18,128 --> 00:24:20,239 engage that . Um , obviously it's all 657 00:24:20,239 --> 00:24:22,461 dry there . We're not doing any kind of 658 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:21,719 entire engagement . It's all simulated . 659 00:24:22,050 --> 00:24:24,106 The other reason for that is for the 660 00:24:24,106 --> 00:24:26,161 defense of maneuvering . So a lot of 661 00:24:26,161 --> 00:24:28,106 places that we're going to fight , 662 00:24:28,106 --> 00:24:29,994 we're going to be uh our upcoming 663 00:24:29,994 --> 00:24:32,217 diplomas . For example , we're going to 664 00:24:32,217 --> 00:24:34,439 be inside of Iranian threats , which is 665 00:24:34,439 --> 00:24:34,430 a surface to air missile which extends 666 00:24:34,439 --> 00:24:36,439 great distances out of the water or 667 00:24:36,439 --> 00:24:38,606 various territory . We have to be able 668 00:24:38,606 --> 00:24:40,606 to defend against those things . We 669 00:24:40,606 --> 00:24:42,550 have to try to those tactics which 670 00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:44,550 required us to put our air frame to 671 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:46,772 very seep and dive maneuvers to be able 672 00:24:46,772 --> 00:24:46,150 to go down to the ground in a very 673 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,160 expeditious manner , die from these 674 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,382 threats and then to get back to an area 675 00:24:50,382 --> 00:24:52,549 where we can safely uh ret attack it . 676 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:54,771 We're not doing aerobatics . Uh We will 677 00:24:54,771 --> 00:24:58,015 be operating uh so 1000 ft and above in 678 00:24:58,025 --> 00:25:00,025 that airspace . But like you said , 679 00:25:00,025 --> 00:25:02,025 it's generally for short periods of 680 00:25:02,025 --> 00:25:04,136 time and climb back up towards safe , 681 00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:06,136 1000 ft is not safe altitudes for a 682 00:25:06,136 --> 00:25:08,136 fire . That's dangerous territory . 683 00:25:08,136 --> 00:25:10,358 That's what anyone with a pistol or the 684 00:25:10,358 --> 00:25:12,469 rifle can reach out and touch us . So 685 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:12,454 we generally want to be a high in order 686 00:25:12,464 --> 00:25:14,686 to do our uh weapons delivery . We have 687 00:25:14,686 --> 00:25:16,908 to uh uh dive down for short periods of 688 00:25:16,908 --> 00:25:16,635 time 689 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,459 in depth , uh BFR to Ifr 690 00:25:24,469 --> 00:25:28,430 operations . Um It's , you 691 00:25:28,439 --> 00:25:31,640 can take off establish radio contact , 692 00:25:31,650 --> 00:25:33,706 contact , these guys , maintain your 693 00:25:33,706 --> 00:25:36,459 vehicle , cloud clearances and uh fly , 694 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,430 see avoid until you get your IR 695 00:25:38,439 --> 00:25:40,630 clearance from those uh from uh Raro 696 00:25:40,989 --> 00:25:43,156 control . There's nothing stopping you 697 00:25:43,156 --> 00:25:45,322 from doing that . Uh It's , you know , 698 00:25:45,322 --> 00:25:47,211 a phone call is probably a little 699 00:25:47,211 --> 00:25:47,170 better because that way we can prepare 700 00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:49,291 the airspace and , and , and sanitize 701 00:25:49,291 --> 00:25:51,458 the airspace for you . I will say it . 702 00:25:51,458 --> 00:25:53,624 If you're calling on the ground , it's 703 00:25:53,624 --> 00:25:53,609 definitely much more efficient because 704 00:25:53,619 --> 00:25:56,880 we can deconflict first and you get 705 00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:59,130 airborne and there's , there's less 706 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:00,973 work all the way around the nine 707 00:26:00,973 --> 00:26:04,270 towered airports . It may not be , it 708 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,502 may not fit your timeline because there 709 00:26:06,502 --> 00:26:08,613 may be two or three of you . And that 710 00:26:08,613 --> 00:26:10,558 is often the case at Thomasville , 711 00:26:10,558 --> 00:26:12,558 sometimes a case in Moultrie two or 712 00:26:12,558 --> 00:26:14,949 three of you waiting to depart . So if 713 00:26:14,959 --> 00:26:16,903 you don't want to wait on your ifr 714 00:26:16,903 --> 00:26:19,070 clearance and you want to take off A R 715 00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:21,070 that's fine . We I'm not saying you 716 00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:22,959 can't or you shouldn't . I'm just 717 00:26:22,959 --> 00:26:25,126 saying it's more efficient if you call 718 00:26:25,126 --> 00:26:25,119 us on the ground , if that allows to 719 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:27,810 work within your timeline . Um 720 00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:31,372 Mentioned airplanes may be doing things 721 00:26:31,372 --> 00:26:33,483 they should be doing specifically air 722 00:26:33,483 --> 00:26:35,250 force aircraft . Uh that is my 723 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:37,371 responsibility . If you do , wouldn't 724 00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:39,436 see something that is questionable . 725 00:26:39,436 --> 00:26:41,547 Talk to us , tell us , communicate to 726 00:26:41,547 --> 00:26:43,769 us . Uh , first of all , I don't expect 727 00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:45,769 that I've got the most professional 728 00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:48,102 aviators , uh , that , that , that , uh , 729 00:26:48,102 --> 00:26:50,324 in the United States Air Force , they , 730 00:26:50,324 --> 00:26:52,436 we split stom this every single day . 731 00:26:52,436 --> 00:26:54,602 We go into a brief , uh , professional 732 00:26:54,602 --> 00:26:56,547 and discipline . Aviation mistakes 733 00:26:56,547 --> 00:26:58,824 happen . Sometimes people get a little , 734 00:26:58,824 --> 00:27:02,640 uh , um , ambitious , but that 735 00:27:02,650 --> 00:27:04,983 is uh the exception is not the standard . 736 00:27:04,983 --> 00:27:07,206 And if that is being seen , please tell 737 00:27:07,206 --> 00:27:09,372 us communicate to us and we will stamp 738 00:27:09,372 --> 00:27:11,261 that out immediately . Uh That is 739 00:27:11,261 --> 00:27:12,872 unacceptable and that is the 740 00:27:12,872 --> 00:27:14,983 expectation that everybody has the so 741 00:27:14,983 --> 00:27:17,094 on a daily basis . Lastly , I want to 742 00:27:17,094 --> 00:27:19,206 reiterate and foot stop the fact that 743 00:27:19,239 --> 00:27:21,569 we are not trying to interrupt 744 00:27:21,579 --> 00:27:23,690 anybody's business . We're not trying 745 00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:25,801 to interrupt anybody's ability to get 746 00:27:25,801 --> 00:27:27,968 into an airfield , exit an airfield or 747 00:27:27,968 --> 00:27:29,857 conduct their daily operations of 748 00:27:29,857 --> 00:27:32,170 business . The burden is on us and we 749 00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:34,180 take that upon ourselves , uh going 750 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,236 forward . So if there's any concerns 751 00:27:36,236 --> 00:27:38,291 about that , please , uh please come 752 00:27:38,291 --> 00:27:40,402 talk to us and , and we will , it's a 753 00:27:40,402 --> 00:27:40,319 two way conversation . We'll do our 754 00:27:40,329 --> 00:27:42,469 best to uh to accommodate any of your 755 00:27:42,479 --> 00:27:45,010 concerns going forward . Uh any other 756 00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:47,479 comments or concerns out of us . Um 757 00:27:51,109 --> 00:27:54,229 Yes , sir . I do . 758 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,502 You know what I went to Cook County the 759 00:27:59,502 --> 00:28:01,613 last time and I don't know why it was 760 00:28:01,613 --> 00:28:03,613 on the list and then both . There , 761 00:28:03,613 --> 00:28:05,724 there are a fair number . Um , I know 762 00:28:07,219 --> 00:28:09,209 instruction and that's a follow up 763 00:28:09,219 --> 00:28:13,130 question , uh , for flight 764 00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,739 instruction generally for a lot of 765 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:17,861 things where you're teaching students 766 00:28:17,861 --> 00:28:20,229 here at 25 . So , do you have some 767 00:28:20,239 --> 00:28:24,209 preferred places to go if 768 00:28:24,219 --> 00:28:27,290 we are doing that ? All right . I would 769 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:29,459 say if you're , if you're looking for 770 00:28:29,469 --> 00:28:31,580 an option to stay out of the confines 771 00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:33,699 of the mullet anywhere , you know , 772 00:28:33,969 --> 00:28:36,250 between eight L and Barasa is fine , 773 00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:39,369 you know that it doesn't impede usually 774 00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:41,436 the traffic flow into Barasa because 775 00:28:41,436 --> 00:28:43,849 it's far , far enough out or into uh 776 00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:47,130 moody . So that , that would be , yeah . 777 00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:49,597 Yeah , that would be fine . And if you 778 00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:51,708 need to go into the mullet and you're 779 00:28:51,708 --> 00:28:53,708 out doing it , call us , teach your 780 00:28:53,708 --> 00:28:55,819 students to call us . Um I , and I've 781 00:28:55,819 --> 00:28:58,520 had that comment before from , uh , uh , 782 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:00,641 an instructor . I don't remember what 783 00:29:00,641 --> 00:29:02,752 airport was that , but it was related 784 00:29:02,752 --> 00:29:04,863 to me that students were apprehensive 785 00:29:04,863 --> 00:29:06,808 about talking on the radio . Let's 786 00:29:06,808 --> 00:29:08,919 teach him as fly struts , let's teach 787 00:29:08,919 --> 00:29:10,974 him to be comfortable talking on the 788 00:29:10,974 --> 00:29:12,974 radio so that they're not afraid to 789 00:29:12,974 --> 00:29:15,086 call a TC and we could help everybody 790 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,252 be safe within the system . And that's 791 00:29:17,252 --> 00:29:19,252 really the biggest part of , that's 792 00:29:19,252 --> 00:29:21,599 what we want for everybody . Zero delay 793 00:29:21,619 --> 00:29:23,952 or minimal , uh I should say zero delay , 794 00:29:23,952 --> 00:29:26,290 minimal delay and safety in the system . 795 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,989 Um , and we can do that by , by folks 796 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,167 calling . And if you want to just call 797 00:29:31,167 --> 00:29:33,278 up and let us know you're there , but 798 00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:32,910 you don't want traffic advisors . 799 00:29:32,939 --> 00:29:35,106 That's fine . We can verify you out to 800 00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:37,106 whenever you're there . It's good . 801 00:29:37,106 --> 00:29:39,161 We'll let everybody else know that's 802 00:29:39,161 --> 00:29:41,217 flying them up . Are you gonna bring 803 00:29:41,217 --> 00:29:43,161 that this close to the , the , the 804 00:29:43,161 --> 00:29:45,272 safety guys ? I can talk to that . So 805 00:29:45,272 --> 00:29:47,217 whenever we come out to visit your 806 00:29:47,217 --> 00:29:49,106 airports and everything , it will 807 00:29:49,106 --> 00:29:51,272 likely to be myself or uh , my part of 808 00:29:51,272 --> 00:29:53,161 the NCO doctor , not commissioned 809 00:29:53,161 --> 00:29:55,328 officer in charge of my sergeant house 810 00:29:55,328 --> 00:29:57,439 here . Uh We'll visit you . We'll set 811 00:29:57,439 --> 00:29:57,229 up an arrangement with either the 812 00:29:57,239 --> 00:29:59,295 airfield managers , the feo managers 813 00:29:59,295 --> 00:30:01,461 chief , whoever you want to have these 814 00:30:01,461 --> 00:30:03,572 discussions on bringing products . We 815 00:30:03,572 --> 00:30:05,572 actually brought a few of them here 816 00:30:05,572 --> 00:30:05,375 today with some of these medical and 817 00:30:05,385 --> 00:30:07,441 avoidance handbooks , these products 818 00:30:07,441 --> 00:30:09,385 will be updated to reflect the new 819 00:30:09,385 --> 00:30:11,552 apace changes . Whenever we come visit 820 00:30:11,552 --> 00:30:13,663 you , any questions you have that you 821 00:30:13,663 --> 00:30:13,454 want to ask of us , we'll be happy to 822 00:30:13,464 --> 00:30:15,742 provide any answers to any instruction , 823 00:30:15,742 --> 00:30:17,853 guidance , how to use tips . And uh , 824 00:30:17,853 --> 00:30:20,075 we'll also bring up the poster for your 825 00:30:20,075 --> 00:30:22,131 coming room as well . Also had these 826 00:30:22,131 --> 00:30:24,353 guys uh along the same lines when we go 827 00:30:24,353 --> 00:30:26,520 out to make this business team , bring 828 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,631 things that could be post , put up to 829 00:30:28,631 --> 00:30:31,130 talk about how to contact his post . Uh 830 00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:32,918 And if there's a question about 831 00:30:32,918 --> 00:30:36,040 cheaters here , now say that we get out 832 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,630 of issues , so it's 833 00:30:40,089 --> 00:30:42,319 proper for possibly . Yes , sir . 834 00:30:45,329 --> 00:30:48,849 The worst case might be in the order of 835 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,011 five minutes or so . I would say that 836 00:30:51,011 --> 00:30:53,219 would be worst case . And we have seen 837 00:30:53,229 --> 00:30:56,390 more of this lately of pilots calling , 838 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,040 want to pick up their clearance and 839 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,420 hope which is great . Get your 840 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:03,652 clearance and then we'll let you know , 841 00:31:03,652 --> 00:31:05,874 call us back when you get to the end of 842 00:31:05,874 --> 00:31:07,930 the runway because everybody's got a 843 00:31:07,930 --> 00:31:09,986 cell phone these days . Call us back 844 00:31:09,986 --> 00:31:12,041 when you get in the runway , we know 845 00:31:12,041 --> 00:31:11,349 you're ready to go . We know what 846 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:13,359 runway you're at and then we can de 847 00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,581 conflate and give you your instructions 848 00:31:15,581 --> 00:31:17,859 and get you off as quickly as possible . 849 00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,819 Should be very little . Once , once we 850 00:31:22,829 --> 00:31:25,459 see you come on the scope , this is , 851 00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:29,890 this is so hard to see from probably 852 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:31,900 right here . But this White House , 853 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:34,122 this is our basic here . So it's down , 854 00:31:34,122 --> 00:31:36,233 the blue is all about . So let's just 855 00:31:36,233 --> 00:31:38,456 say you're coming and this is the pecan 856 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,500 war tactic you're coming from the , 857 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,239 from the Northwest Center is flashing 858 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:45,439 you well out here . So we're , we're 859 00:31:45,449 --> 00:31:47,393 seeing you coming and that we have 860 00:31:47,393 --> 00:31:49,282 plenty of time regardless of what 861 00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:51,005 you're flying to go to the Mua 862 00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:53,790 controller and get whoever's working in 863 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,250 this moa out of the way , climbed up 864 00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:59,482 because it's very easy . You got direct 865 00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,371 radio contact , we've got all the 866 00:32:01,371 --> 00:32:03,260 discrete frequencies that they're 867 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:05,371 working on it . We call them , we get 868 00:32:05,371 --> 00:32:07,593 them above whatever . I think typically 869 00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:07,250 you if you're coming in , most of your 870 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:09,159 time times go down , they got you 871 00:32:09,159 --> 00:32:11,709 descending to four . So you should 872 00:32:11,719 --> 00:32:14,319 still expect , expect to see that we'll 873 00:32:14,329 --> 00:32:16,729 find the more guys up to five and 874 00:32:16,739 --> 00:32:20,020 you'll come in and , and unless you're 875 00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:21,974 the second or third or we've got I 876 00:32:21,974 --> 00:32:25,430 authorities and that's for the most 877 00:32:25,439 --> 00:32:27,050 part at those two airports . 878 00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:29,217 Thomasville and Moultrie and I , and I 879 00:32:29,217 --> 00:32:31,161 will keep foot stopping over there 880 00:32:31,161 --> 00:32:33,161 because that's where we see most of 881 00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:36,469 that traffic is , the delays is gonna 882 00:32:36,479 --> 00:32:39,040 be your inbound , but we've already 883 00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:41,161 released somebody and waiting on them 884 00:32:41,161 --> 00:32:43,217 to come , come off or there's two of 885 00:32:43,217 --> 00:32:45,439 you inbound or there's two departures . 886 00:32:45,439 --> 00:32:47,661 So we have to manage that . So we could 887 00:32:47,661 --> 00:32:49,772 probably be more effective in letting 888 00:32:49,772 --> 00:32:51,717 you know either on the radio or if 889 00:32:51,717 --> 00:32:53,883 you're on the ground that , hey , it's 890 00:32:53,883 --> 00:32:55,661 gonna be a few minutes . We got 891 00:32:55,661 --> 00:32:57,780 somebody inbound on an approach . You 892 00:32:57,790 --> 00:33:00,012 can , you can get a sense on a day like 893 00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:02,068 this , they're gonna get the airport 894 00:33:02,068 --> 00:33:04,123 site , they're gonna , they're gonna 895 00:33:04,123 --> 00:33:06,290 cancel , you get a couple of the uh um 896 00:33:06,329 --> 00:33:09,069 larger charter flights that don't do 897 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,079 that , that won't cancel in there . 898 00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:12,968 They'll wait till they get on the 899 00:33:12,968 --> 00:33:15,023 ground and that's fine . Um It slows 900 00:33:15,023 --> 00:33:17,246 things down a little bit , but it's not 901 00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:19,357 terrible , but we can do a better job 902 00:33:19,357 --> 00:33:21,468 of letting you know where , where you 903 00:33:21,468 --> 00:33:23,690 at and , and any potential conflicts or 904 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:25,690 delays that you can expect based on 905 00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:28,589 other traffic , Jim , can you talk to 906 00:33:28,670 --> 00:33:31,060 anybody on the ground , say mo or 907 00:33:31,069 --> 00:33:33,125 wherever they have to go through the 908 00:33:33,719 --> 00:33:35,619 phone or flight service , um , 909 00:33:36,339 --> 00:33:38,979 frequency coverage in those areas is , 910 00:33:40,939 --> 00:33:43,050 uh , even with our , and we got brand 911 00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:46,119 new radio . So , um , it's 912 00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:49,699 probably eight or 900 ft . Radar 913 00:33:49,709 --> 00:33:52,099 coverage is about four or 500 ft . So 914 00:33:52,109 --> 00:33:54,449 we can see you but add that out to , we 915 00:33:54,459 --> 00:33:56,737 couldn't roll it out below that out to , 916 00:33:56,737 --> 00:33:59,839 we couldn't talk to you . Yeah . 917 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:04,880 Um , anything else ? Yeah , I , 918 00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:07,660 I'm a former controller and 223 10 . 919 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,250 I'm your typical . Uh , I always use , 920 00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:13,739 we , uh , I always stay out no service 921 00:34:14,229 --> 00:34:16,285 interactive because I don't know the 922 00:34:16,285 --> 00:34:18,118 training , but I'm not very good 923 00:34:18,118 --> 00:34:20,370 anywhere . Uh , but now you kind of , I 924 00:34:20,379 --> 00:34:22,989 mean , the system is kinda for me 925 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:26,620 either not fly or , you know , get into 926 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:29,709 the , into the active mode . Uh , it , 927 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,539 when the answer 928 00:34:33,809 --> 00:34:37,279 is that , that would be my suggestion 929 00:34:37,289 --> 00:34:39,456 if you're going out flying VFR and you 930 00:34:39,456 --> 00:34:41,456 don't want to , let's just say it , 931 00:34:41,456 --> 00:34:43,400 it's all hot and you don't want to 932 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,290 leave that as a going to Montgomery and 933 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:49,989 have to fly 7580 miles out of your way . 934 00:34:50,989 --> 00:34:53,322 Uh , especially if you're in , you know , 935 00:34:53,322 --> 00:34:56,919 a small single engine , give us a call , 936 00:34:56,929 --> 00:34:59,040 fly through the mud . These guys will 937 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,096 tell you to , to a man , every pilot 938 00:35:01,096 --> 00:35:03,207 I've h a pilot I've ever talked to as 939 00:35:03,207 --> 00:35:05,040 soon as we give you that traffic 940 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,873 advisor , give them that traffic 941 00:35:06,873 --> 00:35:09,096 advisory . They're clown above . Let me 942 00:35:09,096 --> 00:35:11,207 know when he's clear . Let me know if 943 00:35:11,207 --> 00:35:10,669 he climbs above this or let me know 944 00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:12,790 when he gets within five or six miles 945 00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:15,699 of me . So I can adjust my flight 946 00:35:15,709 --> 00:35:18,129 pattern until the VFR traffic is out of 947 00:35:18,139 --> 00:35:21,659 the mo uh do all the military arrivals . 948 00:35:21,669 --> 00:35:24,649 Are they always talking ? Yes . Well , 949 00:35:24,659 --> 00:35:28,199 they should be . I , you , you , you 950 00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:30,229 may get AAA an occasional one that 951 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,590 bypasses us at Carl Tower . But it's , 952 00:35:32,729 --> 00:35:36,179 I would say that's one in 100 and maybe 953 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,469 that , that's gonna be , that's gonna 954 00:35:40,479 --> 00:35:42,701 start getting back from jet . The other 955 00:35:42,701 --> 00:35:44,868 question I've got is when the airspace 956 00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:47,399 where the debate is , uh and all these 957 00:35:47,409 --> 00:35:49,810 surrounding military bases start seeing 958 00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:54,530 a real low airspace . Uh 10 all the 959 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:57,570 navy bases uh are , are they gonna 960 00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:59,913 start uh hogar in the air station ? And , 961 00:36:00,459 --> 00:36:03,820 well , the good thing for these guys is 962 00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:07,489 it , yeah , but they own the 963 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,270 scheduling shop . So , so they could , 964 00:36:10,610 --> 00:36:12,777 they could say no . Yeah . So we don't 965 00:36:12,777 --> 00:36:14,888 have a ton of cross flow traffic from 966 00:36:14,888 --> 00:36:17,830 the other bases . Uh And honestly , the 967 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,673 A MS are really the users of low 968 00:36:19,673 --> 00:36:21,679 airspace , not F-16s , F-35s . They 969 00:36:21,689 --> 00:36:23,911 definitely don't like to come down this 970 00:36:23,911 --> 00:36:26,729 low . Um So we've not seen a lot of 971 00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:28,916 what we've not had any requests from 972 00:36:28,916 --> 00:36:30,860 the other bases , uh including the 973 00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:33,000 Alabama Guard , uh the Far Guard . 974 00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:35,010 They're , they're all looking to go 975 00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:37,010 other places we're in communication 976 00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:39,177 with them on some other initiatives on 977 00:36:39,177 --> 00:36:41,177 how do we integrate to go . Like uh 978 00:36:41,177 --> 00:36:43,288 Corina said about fighting higher end 979 00:36:43,288 --> 00:36:45,232 threats and integration with other 980 00:36:45,232 --> 00:36:47,454 assets . It's always to actually go out 981 00:36:47,454 --> 00:36:47,452 to other airspace not to bring them to 982 00:36:47,462 --> 00:36:50,022 here . So , uh this is really solely 983 00:36:50,032 --> 00:36:52,373 for a 10 type training and as an 984 00:36:52,383 --> 00:36:54,550 instructor in the A 10 , when I have a 985 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:56,772 new up upgrading and flight need in the 986 00:36:56,772 --> 00:36:58,833 A 10 getting used to deconflicting 987 00:36:58,843 --> 00:37:01,010 traffic . It's something we have to do 988 00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:03,232 down , right ? I I had to move my ho to 989 00:37:03,232 --> 00:37:05,343 over Iraq for a U AD to fly through . 990 00:37:05,343 --> 00:37:07,510 That was on a higher priority position 991 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:09,565 than mine . So you flying through in 992 00:37:09,565 --> 00:37:11,787 your assessment is a great thing for me 993 00:37:11,787 --> 00:37:13,843 to stop a guy who was trying to do , 994 00:37:13,843 --> 00:37:16,010 figure something out on the ground and 995 00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:18,065 do flight lead things and be a pilot 996 00:37:18,065 --> 00:37:20,287 because he still has to be a pilot . So 997 00:37:20,287 --> 00:37:20,045 please by no means , but we appreciate 998 00:37:20,055 --> 00:37:22,222 you guys trying to stay away from us , 999 00:37:22,222 --> 00:37:24,959 but it's a great learning point for us 1000 00:37:24,969 --> 00:37:27,330 to give you approach guys a call so 1001 00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:29,507 that we can make sure that you're at a 1002 00:37:29,507 --> 00:37:31,173 safe altitude , we can safely 1003 00:37:31,173 --> 00:37:33,118 deconflict . And as the instructor 1004 00:37:33,118 --> 00:37:35,229 running the scenario that I make sure 1005 00:37:35,229 --> 00:37:37,340 that guys plan to deconflict from you 1006 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,284 is valid , but it's a great random 1007 00:37:39,284 --> 00:37:41,451 added that like I can't plan to have a 1008 00:37:41,451 --> 00:37:43,673 plane fly through that they got to deal 1009 00:37:43,673 --> 00:37:45,784 with now . So please , by all means , 1010 00:37:45,784 --> 00:37:45,604 don't feel like you're in , after our 1011 00:37:45,635 --> 00:37:47,691 training , we can work , we can work 1012 00:37:47,691 --> 00:37:49,913 around it . And the beauty of beauty is 1013 00:37:49,913 --> 00:37:52,135 there's so much training area here that 1014 00:37:52,135 --> 00:37:54,079 I'll , I can adjust my scenario to 1015 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,302 another area that I need to . So please 1016 00:37:56,302 --> 00:37:58,413 don't feel like you need to go out of 1017 00:37:58,413 --> 00:38:00,579 your way to stay out of ours . And one 1018 00:38:00,579 --> 00:38:02,579 last question they are ii , I guess 1019 00:38:02,579 --> 00:38:04,875 here but , uh , uh , because I use 1020 00:38:04,885 --> 00:38:07,107 flight following extensively , I mean , 1021 00:38:07,107 --> 00:38:09,965 almost 100% where I to go to the 1022 00:38:10,274 --> 00:38:13,830 military . Uh , but I had Senator 1023 00:38:13,879 --> 00:38:16,530 Jackson specifically , uh , tell me 1024 00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:18,429 that they did not provide me like 1025 00:38:18,429 --> 00:38:20,610 follow because of all the time . Um , 1026 00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:24,507 and that's the , that's , that's gonna 1027 00:38:24,507 --> 00:38:26,562 be , uh , that's one of those things 1028 00:38:26,562 --> 00:38:28,979 that we run into , I would say a lot , 1029 00:38:28,989 --> 00:38:32,000 but we do run into it on occasion . A 1030 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:34,939 VFR flight for us is what we call our 1031 00:38:34,949 --> 00:38:37,250 flight via transient in flight that's 1032 00:38:37,699 --> 00:38:39,810 originated out of our airspace and is 1033 00:38:39,810 --> 00:38:42,139 landing out of our airspace . Um , 1034 00:38:42,929 --> 00:38:45,040 we'll get Jacksonville Center , we'll 1035 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,989 reroute them around and oftentimes 1036 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,111 we'll call , say they can fly through 1037 00:38:50,111 --> 00:38:52,679 the boat . I don't know if center 1038 00:38:52,689 --> 00:38:55,030 doesn't understand or if the pilot 1039 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,770 requested A R in around the mower . 1040 00:38:58,929 --> 00:39:01,840 It's hard to say , but we do run into 1041 00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:04,939 it on , on occasion , but every day we 1042 00:39:04,949 --> 00:39:07,600 see , we see random targets and the Os . 1043 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,982 And we're always calling that , calling 1044 00:39:09,982 --> 00:39:11,889 that traffic out so that they can 1045 00:39:11,899 --> 00:39:14,330 deconflict themselves . So , yeah , 1046 00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:16,449 please keep calling , keep flying . 1047 00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:18,764 Just let us know you're there . It 1048 00:39:18,764 --> 00:39:22,479 makes everybody else . There was a , uh , 1049 00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:25,620 they had any issue . Uh , 1050 00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:29,929 it's , uh , it's just something I , I , 1051 00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:32,086 I'm , I'm not too concerned when I'm 1052 00:39:32,086 --> 00:39:34,308 talking to you guys . It's when I can't 1053 00:39:34,308 --> 00:39:36,530 talk to you guys and when somebody says 1054 00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:39,219 we don't , well , we , I will say this 1055 00:39:39,229 --> 00:39:40,951 for anybody that's involved in 1056 00:39:40,951 --> 00:39:44,439 associations like Jim , um and your 1057 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:47,060 fellow pilots get that word out . You 1058 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:49,237 know , you don't have to go around the 1059 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,406 boat . You don't have to cancel that . 1060 00:39:51,406 --> 00:39:53,517 Now , Senator , if center termination 1061 00:39:53,517 --> 00:39:55,739 because they're too busy , fine . You , 1062 00:39:55,739 --> 00:39:57,628 you get it , you get , get to the 1063 00:39:57,628 --> 00:39:59,795 airspace , call us up , we'll reid you 1064 00:39:59,795 --> 00:40:01,961 and , and work you to the other side . 1065 00:40:01,961 --> 00:40:04,072 So we don't have a problem with doing 1066 00:40:04,072 --> 00:40:06,295 that . Jacksonville Center does that to 1067 00:40:06,295 --> 00:40:08,572 the A 10 and I'm coming back from that . 1068 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:08,300 They're like moody bows are hot . I'm 1069 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:11,250 like , I know I'm going there . So uh I 1070 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:13,370 feel your frustration . Uh We do 1071 00:40:13,379 --> 00:40:15,323 interact with Jack Center probably 1072 00:40:15,323 --> 00:40:17,490 poorly . We integrate with a different 1073 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:19,790 shop within my OS S . Um And I can read 1074 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,967 that up with the , the team down there 1075 00:40:21,967 --> 00:40:24,189 as well that , you know , with this new 1076 00:40:24,189 --> 00:40:26,244 airspace initiative that having that 1077 00:40:26,244 --> 00:40:28,244 flight following is kind of the key 1078 00:40:28,244 --> 00:40:28,209 success for flying to South Georgia 1079 00:40:28,219 --> 00:40:30,275 that we would ask that make they can 1080 00:40:30,275 --> 00:40:32,219 put some emphasis on as people are 1081 00:40:32,219 --> 00:40:34,275 trying to get into the South Georgia 1082 00:40:34,275 --> 00:40:36,386 into , into these affected areas that 1083 00:40:36,386 --> 00:40:38,330 they can , can provide that flight 1084 00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:40,386 service , uh the monitoring and then 1085 00:40:40,386 --> 00:40:42,497 the early , even if early hand off to 1086 00:40:42,497 --> 00:40:44,552 us and if they say no , just call us 1087 00:40:44,552 --> 00:40:46,663 early and we'll start working as soon 1088 00:40:46,663 --> 00:40:48,886 as we can see you and talk to you a way 1089 00:40:49,854 --> 00:40:52,649 to a just sort of agreement that judge 1090 00:40:53,229 --> 00:40:55,451 will hand off the VFRF flight following 1091 00:40:55,479 --> 00:40:57,423 to you as opposed to the vector of 1092 00:40:57,423 --> 00:40:59,646 Miran . I don't think they do that when 1093 00:40:59,646 --> 00:41:02,520 they get guarantee . Uh separation II , 1094 00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:05,340 I think it's probably F AAA TC states 1095 00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:07,517 that probably will prevent that . I'll 1096 00:41:07,517 --> 00:41:09,517 talk to them and see kind of what , 1097 00:41:09,517 --> 00:41:11,683 what they can do on their side to kind 1098 00:41:11,683 --> 00:41:13,794 of start working with us a little bit 1099 00:41:13,794 --> 00:41:13,135 better and build that relationship up . 1100 00:41:13,145 --> 00:41:15,256 If we have a really good relationship 1101 00:41:15,256 --> 00:41:17,478 with them , they seem always willing to 1102 00:41:17,478 --> 00:41:19,534 help us . So I think if you bring me 1103 00:41:19,534 --> 00:41:21,589 some feedback and come up with a way 1104 00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:21,205 forward to work together , I think that 1105 00:41:21,215 --> 00:41:24,810 they'd be receptive two things 1106 00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:27,379 that I do in four and , and , and I did 1107 00:41:27,389 --> 00:41:29,722 it when I first called the airplane was , 1108 00:41:29,722 --> 00:41:32,159 is I me out all the local , I use local 1109 00:41:32,229 --> 00:41:35,510 uh wait points for X ray on interstate , 1110 00:41:35,669 --> 00:41:37,919 all , all those points . So I need to 1111 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:41,260 stay away from it . Uh Is that , are 1112 00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:43,270 those procedures gonna change ? Are 1113 00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:44,437 those still gonna be 1114 00:41:47,419 --> 00:41:49,750 coming back to ? Are they gonna still 1115 00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:52,048 transition to the standard points that , 1116 00:41:52,048 --> 00:41:54,270 that has not changed ? We have in our , 1117 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:56,381 our wing fly instruction , we haven't 1118 00:41:56,381 --> 00:41:58,492 changed any of those procedures for , 1119 00:41:58,492 --> 00:42:00,603 for BFR recoveries back to the base . 1120 00:42:00,603 --> 00:42:02,714 Um , those all remain the same . They 1121 00:42:02,714 --> 00:42:02,360 were just , you're out flying around , 1122 00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:04,203 they may look a little different 1123 00:42:04,203 --> 00:42:06,092 depending on , at what point they 1124 00:42:06,092 --> 00:42:08,639 request recovery , They may finish 1125 00:42:08,649 --> 00:42:11,699 their dive to 1000 ft and call up and I 1126 00:42:11,709 --> 00:42:13,265 want to come back at 2500 . 1127 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,979 Yes . Yes . Yes . We on our m in our m 1128 00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:22,560 my high approach position , we had 1129 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:24,977 every single moa has a separate 1130 00:42:24,977 --> 00:42:27,620 frequency . We put them on there and 1131 00:42:27,629 --> 00:42:29,185 then we can go talk to them 1132 00:42:29,185 --> 00:42:31,610 individually as we need to . And that's 1133 00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:33,719 how we give them and update them to 1134 00:42:33,729 --> 00:42:35,820 traffic as you guys are . It , 1135 00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:42,040 it is it for 1136 00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:45,370 you ? It was , it's high approach for 1137 00:42:45,379 --> 00:42:47,969 them as small m same person . Same , 1138 00:42:47,979 --> 00:42:51,909 same frequency . Yeah . Yes , sir . 1139 00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:54,217 You all reminded me of a good question 1140 00:42:54,217 --> 00:42:56,383 too . Um , with respect to flying even 1141 00:42:56,383 --> 00:42:58,550 the lowest I'm a fighter guy . So I've 1142 00:42:58,550 --> 00:43:00,550 been overseas the VR traffic , I'll 1143 00:43:00,550 --> 00:43:02,717 knock it off to do all that stuff . So 1144 00:43:02,717 --> 00:43:04,828 having said that is there a threshold 1145 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,949 where like if you got somebody got in , 1146 00:43:07,959 --> 00:43:10,750 in traffic , 10 miles , 12 o'clock , 1147 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,760 whatever . Oh , cool . I'll flash a 1148 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,982 little more of the rock or , you know , 1149 00:43:14,982 --> 00:43:16,927 it's five miles a number . At what 1150 00:43:16,927 --> 00:43:18,927 point do you guys have to stop what 1151 00:43:18,927 --> 00:43:21,320 you're doing for a big or does it just 1152 00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:25,169 depend ? That's your question . We 1153 00:43:25,399 --> 00:43:28,629 will get notified on identification so 1154 00:43:28,649 --> 00:43:32,250 that we , uh , and they , if it's a lot 1155 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:34,149 of times it's gonna be within our 1156 00:43:34,149 --> 00:43:36,260 formation dependent and outside of 10 1157 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:38,482 miles , really , it's not a huge factor 1158 00:43:38,482 --> 00:43:40,538 once we start penetration it and not 1159 00:43:40,538 --> 00:43:42,649 particularly , not a factor . This is 1160 00:43:42,649 --> 00:43:44,871 where we're offering and we're gonna go 1161 00:43:44,871 --> 00:43:46,649 regionally and then probably be 1162 00:43:46,649 --> 00:43:48,871 directed and they'll just talk with you 1163 00:43:48,871 --> 00:43:51,038 and we're not , we don't listen , it's 1164 00:43:51,038 --> 00:43:53,371 not one time traffic call and that's it . 1165 00:43:53,371 --> 00:43:55,260 We're always up there as altitude 1166 00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:57,840 change had changed . And I mean , we 1167 00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:00,017 get crop dusters out there that we see 1168 00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:02,371 that we would assume are crop dusters 1169 00:44:02,371 --> 00:44:04,204 that are flying around non , non 1170 00:44:04,204 --> 00:44:06,350 smoking . That's the biggest threat 1171 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,471 because you don't know who they are , 1172 00:44:08,471 --> 00:44:10,693 what they are and what else who they're 1173 00:44:10,693 --> 00:44:13,419 at . And you're guessing , well , you 1174 00:44:13,429 --> 00:44:15,651 can see what heading are going on , but 1175 00:44:15,651 --> 00:44:17,873 it , it often changes because if it's a 1176 00:44:17,873 --> 00:44:19,873 crop desperate , they're constantly 1177 00:44:19,873 --> 00:44:21,985 turning and doing what they're , what 1178 00:44:21,985 --> 00:44:24,699 they're doing . So , um , those are the 1179 00:44:24,709 --> 00:44:26,830 biggest threats for these guys . Same 1180 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,118 thing , we're constantly updating , um , 1181 00:44:29,118 --> 00:44:32,530 as we're moving around and it may be a 1182 00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:35,699 crop duster at 500 ft and they may be 1183 00:44:35,709 --> 00:44:38,709 at 18,000 ft and it's so far away to 1184 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,775 not be important , but we don't know 1185 00:44:40,775 --> 00:44:43,790 that for sure . And that's , that , 1186 00:44:44,219 --> 00:44:45,775 that could have gone on the 1187 00:44:45,775 --> 00:44:47,941 misconception slide too . We will give 1188 00:44:47,941 --> 00:44:49,941 them traffic if you don't call us , 1189 00:44:49,941 --> 00:44:52,052 we're gonna in your 2500 . Let's just 1190 00:44:52,052 --> 00:44:54,052 say your , your aircraft is showing 1191 00:44:54,052 --> 00:44:53,989 2500 ft . We'll tell them the altitude 1192 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,590 indicates , but we don't know because 1193 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,899 we haven't talked to you and validated 1194 00:44:58,909 --> 00:45:01,020 your transponder and validated that , 1195 00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:03,187 that your , your altitude is correct . 1196 00:45:03,187 --> 00:45:05,560 You may be at 1500 ft , but it's off 1197 00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:07,889 and showing 25 and we're , we're 1198 00:45:07,899 --> 00:45:09,955 telling 25 and they're looking at 25 1199 00:45:09,955 --> 00:45:12,121 but it may not be correct . That's why 1200 00:45:12,121 --> 00:45:14,010 I would implore call us so we can 1201 00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:16,689 validate your mode c and validate your 1202 00:45:16,699 --> 00:45:18,810 alt T . Um , and if you don't want to 1203 00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:20,921 talk to us fine , just tell us you're 1204 00:45:20,921 --> 00:45:23,088 there . We'll put , we'll put a target 1205 00:45:23,088 --> 00:45:25,199 or a data tag on your , on your track 1206 00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,032 and then you go do your business 1207 00:45:27,032 --> 00:45:29,143 doesn't matter to us . We didn't have 1208 00:45:29,143 --> 00:45:31,088 any type of capabilities of , uh , 1209 00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:34,219 increasing the number of a sdab to jump 1210 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,822 in here . I know y'all don't like to do 1211 00:45:36,822 --> 00:45:39,156 it because y'all that I know what to do , 1212 00:45:39,156 --> 00:45:41,322 but it's , it's precisely that we have 1213 00:45:41,322 --> 00:45:43,267 an exemption . Um , yeah , federal 1214 00:45:43,267 --> 00:45:45,378 exemption for carrying your ESD out . 1215 00:45:45,378 --> 00:45:47,489 We have an ESPN , right ? So we are , 1216 00:45:47,489 --> 00:45:49,711 that's another thing that can happen on 1217 00:45:49,711 --> 00:45:51,711 our air graft . We carry AC has top 1218 00:45:51,711 --> 00:45:54,260 with us and a flight , uh ipad so I can 1219 00:45:54,270 --> 00:45:57,570 see on your tracks , unfortunately , we , 1220 00:45:57,580 --> 00:45:59,790 for the executives , social security , 1221 00:45:59,979 --> 00:46:02,146 um seeing our flight patterns , seeing 1222 00:46:02,146 --> 00:46:04,330 what we're doing on seeing our tactics 1223 00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:08,000 potential is the uh act . So we , 1224 00:46:09,389 --> 00:46:11,500 is there an opportunity to do that in 1225 00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:13,778 the administrative portion of a , of a ? 1226 00:46:13,778 --> 00:46:15,810 So , I mean , the tact totally can 1227 00:46:16,389 --> 00:46:18,333 target it under the administrative 1228 00:46:18,333 --> 00:46:20,500 portion . And I , I do have capability 1229 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,167 to do what we do not have the 1230 00:46:22,167 --> 00:46:25,080 capability to do . B then I don't have 1231 00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:26,649 to put a gear to do that 1232 00:46:29,479 --> 00:46:33,300 anybody else . All right . 1233 00:46:33,350 --> 00:46:36,159 Yes , sir . So we're being told this is 1234 00:46:36,179 --> 00:46:38,250 a priority for the A 10 to do their 1235 00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:40,820 training . Is that correct ? Yes . Ok . 1236 00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:43,260 And so , you know , I'm not a real 1237 00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:45,929 bright person but uh what , what is the 1238 00:46:45,939 --> 00:46:48,217 longevity of the A 10 moving right now ? 1239 00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:50,886 Well , these guys could give you the 1240 00:46:50,886 --> 00:46:53,052 better timeline than I can . Yeah . So 1241 00:46:53,052 --> 00:46:54,886 the timeline is , I think it's a 1242 00:46:54,886 --> 00:46:57,108 constantly moving target . We generally 1243 00:46:57,108 --> 00:46:59,274 believe uh that we're gonna be here in 1244 00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:02,530 moving the Air Force base to 2028 2029 . 1245 00:47:02,620 --> 00:47:05,479 So another , you know , six years , um , 1246 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000 things are changing on our database 1247 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,278 list . We don't really know for a fact . 1248 00:47:10,278 --> 00:47:12,444 We know what the Air Force are , are . 1249 00:47:12,444 --> 00:47:14,389 Uh , but the person with the nurse 1250 00:47:14,389 --> 00:47:16,556 that's uh the United States Congress , 1251 00:47:16,556 --> 00:47:18,667 the society organization on that . So 1252 00:47:18,667 --> 00:47:20,722 we're really uh at their disposal of 1253 00:47:20,729 --> 00:47:23,179 what's going to happen . We have a plan , 1254 00:47:23,189 --> 00:47:26,459 move for that plan . Um , if it sticks , 1255 00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:28,025 uh , we'll see about that . 1256 00:47:32,129 --> 00:47:34,296 That , that's one of my concerns going 1257 00:47:34,296 --> 00:47:36,649 forward is , uh , it's great if you 1258 00:47:36,659 --> 00:47:38,881 gotta run around 300 knots . But , uh , 1259 00:47:38,881 --> 00:47:40,992 when somebody can run twice as fast , 1260 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,830 um , the last thing I worry is that the 1261 00:47:43,889 --> 00:47:46,500 F-16 and , you know , on corner deal or 1262 00:47:46,649 --> 00:47:48,705 it just take it forward because both 1263 00:47:48,705 --> 00:47:50,860 those , it don't happen , we're 1264 00:47:50,939 --> 00:47:54,080 breaking sense that so it uh we pass 1265 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,381 the gate here and I don't know what the 1266 00:47:56,381 --> 00:47:58,820 pain here over here , but uh uh 1267 00:48:00,830 --> 00:48:02,886 you probably get the impression that 1268 00:48:02,886 --> 00:48:04,552 I'm real afraid of getting um 1269 00:48:04,552 --> 00:48:07,959 understood in my top three . So the 1270 00:48:07,969 --> 00:48:11,090 F-35 , this is potentially , it has the 1271 00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,100 most exquisite A B I on it , on the 1272 00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,267 plane . Their situational awareness of 1273 00:48:15,267 --> 00:48:17,649 the airplane is , is second in that 1274 00:48:17,879 --> 00:48:19,879 they know where they know where the 1275 00:48:19,889 --> 00:48:22,350 earth are . They know where your soul 1276 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,090 is . That's not a situation where 1277 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:28,959 aircraft it is , the , the sense 1278 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:33,280 they are not to mention 1279 00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:35,830 who knows what the flight profile will 1280 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,409 be when that day gets here , if that 1281 00:48:38,419 --> 00:48:40,363 day gets here and , and what their 1282 00:48:40,363 --> 00:48:43,719 requirements are . So , and I didn't 1283 00:48:43,729 --> 00:48:45,729 mention on the on those slides , it 1284 00:48:45,729 --> 00:48:48,750 wasn't on there , but the uh chart date 1285 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,399 is 11 July um for the airspace . 1286 00:48:52,409 --> 00:48:54,949 So we will on 12 July , we will be , 1287 00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:57,659 we'll be live . We have been as a air 1288 00:48:57,669 --> 00:48:59,613 track patrol facility . We've been 1289 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,381 planning for this for quite some time , 1290 00:49:02,381 --> 00:49:05,120 we run through simulator problems with 1291 00:49:05,129 --> 00:49:08,969 this . We have , we will continue uh to 1292 00:49:08,979 --> 00:49:11,201 make sure every controller that we have 1293 00:49:11,201 --> 00:49:13,201 is certified has run through all of 1294 00:49:13,201 --> 00:49:15,312 these simulator problems . All of our 1295 00:49:15,312 --> 00:49:17,479 agreements between us and Jacksonville 1296 00:49:17,479 --> 00:49:19,590 Center , us and about us or us and uh 1297 00:49:19,929 --> 00:49:22,729 Tallahassee approach uh have all been 1298 00:49:22,739 --> 00:49:24,961 updated and then all of our internal uh 1299 00:49:24,961 --> 00:49:27,072 guidance within the facility has been 1300 00:49:27,072 --> 00:49:29,295 updated to reflect what we're doing and 1301 00:49:29,295 --> 00:49:32,610 how we're going to uh manage this , uh 1302 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:35,919 going forward . So if I call it a mo 1303 00:49:36,219 --> 00:49:38,739 and you get a sw what do you see it or 1304 00:49:38,889 --> 00:49:41,959 if I heard it ? Yeah , about 1305 00:49:41,969 --> 00:49:45,280 probably about 800 ft . Yeah . 1306 00:49:50,379 --> 00:49:52,435 Yeah , it's probably a little better 1307 00:49:52,435 --> 00:49:54,490 with the radio now , uh with our new 1308 00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:56,657 radios . But um , definitely the radar 1309 00:49:56,657 --> 00:49:57,990 will see that look . Uh 1310 00:50:01,189 --> 00:50:03,610 Yeah , we , we did that about a tower 1311 00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:06,790 now they call us and uh uh do the , so 1312 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,022 we could , we could do the same thing . 1313 00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:11,709 Absolutely . And that would , again , 1314 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,886 that , that enhance the safety because 1315 00:50:13,886 --> 00:50:15,941 we know you're taking off and you're 1316 00:50:15,941 --> 00:50:18,108 going wherever VR All right . Well , I 1317 00:50:18,108 --> 00:50:20,520 appreciate it . Thank you . Count seats .